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Most people are poor because of their own poor choices! Period!! I am a very successful small businessman that came from nothing and I can attest to this as nearly all my friends are the same as me and we talk about it quite often. A very wealthy friend said it best to me. You can take every dollar from the rich and give it to the poor and in six months I will be on my way to being rich again and they will be on their way to being poor . Creating wealth is all about wise choices ( and other factors) coupled with talent and some have far more talent in this area then others. ( yes making money is a talent) I laugh at some here that sit on their butts here complaining about their situation . If you you have time to sit on your butt here and are unhappy about ones financial situation, you are a example of using your time poorly i.e. poor choice. We all get the same 24 hours a day, some use it far more wisely then others....
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Now a "field experiment" by NBER Faculty Research Fellows Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan measures this discrimination in a novel way. In response to help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston newspapers, they sent resumes with either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. Thus, they experimentally manipulated perception of race via the name on the resume. Half of the applicants were assigned African-American names that are "remarkably common" in the black population, the other half white sounding names, such as Emily Walsh or Greg Baker.
To see how the credentials of job applicants affect discrimination, the authors varied the quality of the resumes they used in response to a given ad. Higher quality applicants were given a little more labor market experience on average and fewer holes in their employment history. They were also portrayed as more likely to have an email address, to have completed some certification degree, to possess foreign language skills, or to have been awarded some honors.
In total, the authors responded to more than 1,300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical, and customer services job categories, sending out nearly 5,000 resumes. The ads covered a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mailroom to office and sales management positions.
The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.
The 50 percent gap in callback rates is statistically very significant, Bertrand and Mullainathan note in Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination (NBER Working Paper No. 9873). It indicates that a white name yields as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience. Race, the authors add, also affects the reward to having a better resume. Whites with higher quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower quality resumes. But the positive impact of a better resume for those with Africa-American names was much smaller.
Poverty made and leaving poverty are two separate issues. Combining the two and using poverty as the excuse for not excelling will leave you in poverty.
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No the problem is you look at it as a color issue and fail to see its a poor " choice" issue.
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So you want to paint me black then? What is the fix?
...and you can't sit there with a straight face and ignore the fact that these studies are ignoring the two biggest factors (culture and neighborhood) and instead are focused on proving that black vs. white is the only difference. This is goal based research, instead of truth based research. You can tell because the only thing being compared is race. If this was an honest attempt at figuring out why some people are successful and some aren't you would see numerous other factors being presented. But we don't. All we see is race. If race is the core issue, then natural conclusion is that blacks are lazy (which is dead wrong). If you look at all the factors, then you start seeing cultural influences which vastly over-ride the whole "white privilege/black oppression" factors. This kind of crap research is racism with a thin veneer of acceptability. The fact is that culture has far more to do with poverty than race, but addressing that means that you have to challenge people to change, instead of just providing them with someone to blame.I'm well aware there is generational poverty in every community and every race. But you can't sit there with a straight face and pretend that the problem is equally bad for all communities. Do you think that all races in America at this moment have the exact same level of opportunity? Does the average black person have to work exactly as hard as the average white person to reach the same level of wealth and opportunity?
Sad. You think you are the only ones dealing with crap??? If so you know nothing about how things work... its all about choices and you are at fault here for leaving your kids in that environment.. I sent my kids to private school ( it was a great financial burden at the time) I suggest you vote with your feet and move... and yes it can be done it just depends on what choices and sacrifices you are willing to make.no.. I know the research. Its not a poor choice issue. I have a mixed marriage and interracial children. they deal with racism from the school, from their peers, and the community on almost daily basis... there experience is not because of "poor choices".
We don't all get the same:
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color.
Never work!!! This only fix is personal responsibility. I.e. wise choices. Stealing from one group to give to another never works as it does not fix the underlining problem...My solution to poverty is organizing against it (e.g. movements like Fight for $15) rather than following self-help tips. Individual solutions do not solve systemic problems. Collective solutions do.
The problem with this study is it can't take into account the effect of the current state of Black incarceration and other similar factors on someone's per-judgement vs. just the applicant being black.
Sad. You think you are the only ones dealing with crap??? If so you know nothing about how things work... its all about choices and you are at fault here for leaving your kids in that environment.. I sent my kids to private school ( it was a great financial burden at the time) I suggest you vote with your feet and move... and yes it can be done it just depends on what choices and sacrifices you are willing to make.
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Good luck with that.My solution to poverty is organizing against it (e.g. movements like Fight for $15) rather than following self-help tips. Individual solutions do not solve systemic problems. Collective solutions do.
Cable said:This still doesn't point to a solution, and it doesn't point to a need to demonize whites for being white.
No white privilege, just poor choice as you write about in the post. Any person can do those things not just white...I am a white male and I can tell you with 100% certainty that white male privilege abso****inglutely exists. Unfortunately there are a lot of white people...particularly men who are so ****ing stupid that even when given a massive head start in life they still can't win the race. If you're a white male in the United States of America and you fail to achieve at least a middle class or upper middle class lifestyle you have to be ****ing worthless turd. I mean I'll grant you there are some people who run into some bad luck, but if you even put forth the bare minimum of effort you should be golden. **** a Truck driver in the United States can make $50,000/year no problem. Have you been to a mechanic lately? What they charge is astronomical. Go to tech school for **** sake.
Well.. part of the fix is actually recognizing that it happens. You can't counter racist attitudes particularly when they are so ingrained in a culture that the bias isn't even perceived.
Most white people simply don't understand it. I certainly didn't until I had interracial children. My children deal with racism on an almost daily basis in school. Now.. if every single time a kid called them a name, or a teacher made a racist remark, or my child was passed over for something despite being top in his class..and having exemplary behavior.. I might as well camp out at the school and spend all day with him. but that's just not possible.
Now.. when something happens that so egregious, like when a child threatened to shoot the "blank" with an arrow IN ARCHERY CLASS. I had to step into the school. And when I point out the things that are going on.. whats the response "Oh no.. not in OUR school".
You can see the same when other minorities point to well documented abuse from police officers. Rather than acknowledge that yes it happens.. and its an issue.. when its VERY well documented... a sizable portion of our white population rushes to say "oh no.. not in our America".
You can't solve a problem if you are busy denying such a problem exists in the first place.
There clearly are some people who demonize white people just for being white. Many of those are themselves victims of racism, and you might want to consider what your views would be on the matter if you endured regular discrimination, day-in, day-out. That said, I would agree that demonizing someone merely for the color of their skin is racist, and wrong by the same token that racism against black people is wrong.
Of course, we can begin to find solutions, but you thread seems to be about the problem, not the solution.
Still your choice, you say you are rich, how about home school then, private tutor, etc it's nearly always about choice and you have not used up all your choices. ( my kids went to school in southern Oregon and at their private school zero problems with racial issues zero!! ( many minorities in the school maybe the minorities placed there by their parents because of this issue or maybe not) again choice, your choice.No.. they are plenty of other minorities that deal with much more crap. My children have the benefit of having a rich dad. Its not all about choices.. and your insistence that it is shows your bias.
We tried private school. the situation was no different. So spare me "its about choices".
I didn't have that issue in school BECAUSE I AM WHITE. My children have that issue because they are not. that's not a choice.. that's racial bias at work.
Good luck with that.
No government can solve systemic problems without the cooperation of those who the system is designed to serve.
Who will stay in school if the "dole" pays too much. Laziness is contagious, I see it within my own family, from my parents to most of my siblings, they settled for a minimum existence.
The problem with this study is it can't take into account the effect of the current state of Black incarceration and other similar factors on someone's per-judgement vs. just the applicant being black.
Something to think about
Devah Pager conducted a matched-pair experiment in which she had male testers apply for the same entry-level jobs advertised in Milwaukee newspapers. She gave the assistants fake credentials that make them equivalent in terms of education, job experience, and so on. Half were Black and half White.
What was surprising was that race actually turned out to be more significant than a criminal background. Notice that employers were more likely to call Whites with a criminal record (17% were offered an interview) than Blacks without a criminal record (14%). And while having a criminal background hurt all applicants’ chances of getting an interview, African Americans with a non-violent offense faced particularly dismal employment prospects
Still your choice, you say you are rich, how about home school then, private tutor, etc it's nearly always about choice and you have not used up all your choices. ( my kids went to school in southern Oregon and at their private school zero problems with racial issues zero!! ( many minorities in the school maybe the minorities placed there by their parents because of this issue or maybe not) again choice, your choice.
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...and you can't sit there with a straight face and ignore the fact that these studies are ignoring the two biggest factors (culture and neighborhood) and instead are focused on proving that black vs. white is the only difference. This is goal based research, instead of truth based research. You can tell because the only thing being compared is race. If this was an honest attempt at figuring out why some people are successful and some aren't you would see numerous other factors being presented. But we don't. All we see is race. If race is the core issue, then natural conclusion is that blacks are lazy (which is dead wrong). If you look at all the factors, then you start seeing cultural influences which vastly over-ride the whole "white privilege/black oppression" factors. This kind of crap research is racism with a thin veneer of acceptability. The fact is that culture has far more to do with poverty than race, but addressing that means that you have to challenge people to change, instead of just providing them with someone to blame.
Those walls are statistically lower as an average; the highest walls for whites are just as high as the highest walls for blacks. In most instances, they are the same walls. Statistically speaking, though, you are more likely to be born into those difficult environments if you are black as a percentage of the black population.
Poor blacks and poor whites face the same obstacles, until you start to "unpack the knapsack", which is psychological and not explainable with hard data.
Bull crap!! Do you think blacks were the only ones dealing with slavery and other huge issues??? Go look at the people who have fled from other parts of the world to start a new life here and as groups have done very well....
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Wealth is not passed down from generation to generation in most cases. Total lie!! Go read the book the millionaire next door you may learn something. The black population is not poor because of lack of opportunity, it's mostly because of one's own poor choices and that includes all races in this country.
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No white privilege, just poor choice as you write about in the post. Any person can do those things not just white...
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.
Actually further studies using resumes have found that a white sounding name with a criminal background is more likely to get a callback than a black sounding name without one. It took something like 2 extra years of education on the black sounding resume to equal the call back rate of a white sounding name with a criminal background.
Other studies have found the same thing.
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