gordontravels
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gordontravels said:MSNBC reports this morning that 52% of people polled think President Bush is doing a poor job with Katrina. MSNBC has done all they can to make the effort look as bad as possible so considering 46% are cited as thinking he is doing a good job, I suppose if you get outside MSNBC's sphere of influence you might find higher numbers for the President.
I have seen those wondering why people aren't donating as they did after 9/11 and trying to blame President Bush for this also but I think it is the negativity of the media that stops many from donating. Many people are angered by the media's portrayal of our government being uncaring or inept. People are smart enough to know that the local and state governments were in charge both before and after the disaster and performed badly while not even following their own disaster plans.
If MSNBC or those of one political party or the other are so negative in their attitudes and reporting wouldn't that possibly affect many people who then turn on even the victims themselves? There are those here that say the poor couldn't afford to evacuate but there were buses to be used and the Mayor did nothing. The Governor didn't do her job. The Lieutenant Governor, Senator Landrieu's brother didn't do his job. Probably hundreds of officials didn't do their jobs OR, was it the sheer magnitude of this disaster that overwhelmed. FEMA was slow even though this was a disaster like none other except maybe Pearl Harbor. Of course, our nation came together after Pearl Harbor. We should be doing this now.
If the media had been as negative after 9/11 as they are being now then the donations for 9/11 wouldn't have been what they were. We are now hearing that not nearly as many people died in New Orleans although the media reported it could be as high as 100,000; a number pulled out of their hat. Nice big number to get a nice big audience for their bashing. Still I noticed their bashing was limited to certain targets as usual.
Republicans and Democrats at our level should realize that when any disaster strikes our nation we all should step up and help even if all you can afford is prayers. We need to be a nation, not party hacks. We have enough of those leading the Republicans and Democrats and living in the media. :duel
Yet, I notice that you cited exit polls as evidence that the elections in Venezuela were tainted.MiamiFlorida said:The media brings nothing new to the table except the same old, biased opinions. All their polls were wrong during the presidential race...and manipulated, to be sure.
Simon W. Moon said:I think some folks give "The Media" too much credit re their effect. I also notice that often it seems that folks forget that media is plural. "The Media" are not some monlithic force- rather a multitude of competing entities. The implications of some vast conspiracy on the part of "The Media" seem to be myths cooked up by political ops to provide a semblance of substance to their hand-waving dismissals of inconvenient facts.
Yet, I notice that you cited exit polls as evidence that the elections in Venezuela were tainted.
Simon W. Moon said:I think some folks give "The Media" too much credit re their effect. I also notice that often it seems that folks forget that media is plural. "The Media" are not some monlithic force- rather a multitude of competing entities. The implications of some vast conspiracy on the part of "The Media" seem to be myths cooked up by political ops to provide a semblance of substance to their hand-waving dismissals of inconvenient facts.
Yet, I notice that you cited exit polls as evidence that the elections in Venezuela were tainted.
Now this I agree with.Originally posted by gordontravels:
We need to be a nation, not party hacks. We have enough of those leading the Republicans and Democrats and living in the media.
gordontravels said:
We are now hearing that not nearly as many people died in New Orleans although the media reported it could be as high as 100,000; a number pulled out of their hat. Nice big number to get a nice big audience for their bashing. Still I noticed their bashing was limited to certain targets as usual.
scottyz said:Who reported it would be as high as 100,000? The highest figure i've heard is 50,000.
To be sure? Really? Please tell me how you know this to be a fact? The polls pre-election were RIGHT. The election ended up within the margin of error that the pollsters cited so please explain how they were wrong AND manipulated. Facts please, not conjecture!MiamiFlorida said:The media brings nothing new to the table except the same old, biased opinions. All their polls were wrong during the presidential race...and manipulated, to be sure.
In no way are the two events the same other than there being national tragedies.gordontravels said:I have seen those wondering why people aren't donating as they did after 9/11 and trying to blame President Bush for this also but I think it is the negativity of the media that stops many from donating. Many people are angered by the media's portrayal of our government being uncaring or inept. People are smart enough to know that the local and state governments were in charge both before and after the disaster and performed badly while not even following their own disaster plans...
If the media had been as negative after 9/11 as they are being now then the donations for 9/11 wouldn't have been what they were.
26 X World Champs said:To be sure? Really? Please tell me how you know this to be a fact? The polls pre-election were RIGHT. The election ended up within the margin of error that the pollsters cited so please explain how they were wrong AND manipulated. Facts please, not conjecture!
Do you believe the folks at MRC can up with accurate facts?MiamiFlorida said:You better read what I write before you jump to conclusions.
I was talking about media polls....not Gallup, Harris, etc....
Let's look at the people who conduct media polls:
http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/MediaBiasBasics.html
Do you believe the folks at CNN...or Fox....or the NY Times can come up with accurate polls....?
Ironic how this is similar to the outcome of the re-election of President Bush...Binary_Digit said:This ABC poll says 55% of Americans do not blame Bush for the response to Katrina. But 47% disapprove of his handling of the crisis.
ThePhoenix said:Ironic how this is similar to the outcome of the re-election of President Bush...
However, the public also faults state and local governments, as well as the federal government, for the response to Katrina and its aftermath.
LINK
I believe the outcome of the election was about 52% to 48% Bush leads.Pacridge said:Not sure I really understand your meaning here.
26 X World Champs said:To be sure? Really? Please tell me how you know this to be a fact? The polls pre-election were RIGHT. The election ended up within the margin of error that the pollsters cited so please explain how they were wrong AND manipulated. Facts please, not conjecture!
I thought Fox News was the Cartoon Channel!Originally Posted by gordontravels:
It's true that some or most polls had it close, margin of error but, I would apply his words to the pundits the news media used. You get the Republican and Democrat on screen and of course they aren't going to say how badly they are going to lose and face it, losing is bad no matter the margin. The media surely manipulates or tries to according to your outlet. From National Public Radio to Fox News Channel or the Cartoon Channel, minds are shaped and it is calculated. Not to recognize that is really missing something.
26 X World Champs said:To be sure? Really? Please tell me how you know this to be a fact? The polls pre-election were RIGHT. The election ended up within the margin of error that the pollsters cited so please explain how they were wrong AND manipulated. Facts please, not conjecture!
scottyz said:Do you believe the folks at MRC can up with accurate facts?
26 X World Champs said:In no way are the two events the same other than there being national tragedies.
On 9-11 we were attacked by our enemy. The response of the Federal and local government was decent and there weren't any "refugees" like on the Gulf Coast.
Furthermore, had FEMA et al bungled post 9-11 operations like they have in New Orleans I'm sure the outcry would have been equal. The Fed bungled this one good, as did local and state officials and countless people are dead because of it. The same cannot be said about 9-11. In the post 9-11 aftermath thousands of people did not die due to FEMA fuc& ups.
Plus, the depth of despair and need from Katrina is much more severe. Hundreds of thousands of people are affected who have lost their homes and their jobs. If NYC had to be abandonded the needs would have been greatly multiplied as is what happened in New Orleans.
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