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Which of these things would improve education in the United States?

Which of these things would improve education in the US?


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That's too simplistic. They choose to pay for it. It wasn't payment enforced on them so they cared for it more. Other parents simply won't care regardless of the system. All careing is not equal. But, regardless, the point is that it is this concern that is paramount.




Not really. That too depends on the school. And being able to be selective, not numbers forced on you, is again something that would vanish the second there is noo public school to take up the slack. Keep in mind, we don't have an over abundance of quality teachers out there waiting for an openning. And it costs to have teachers, even at low wages.
 
You know nothing of my understanding of education.

How very defensive.

The fact remains that private schools can be exclusive when public schools cannot.

The fact that some private schools are exclusive does not necessarily imply what you said.

As I said earlier, parents who take the time to apply and pay for private school are going to be more involved in their child's education. Comparing private school results to public school results is not a fair comparison.

It would seem to me what makes people involved and what doesn't is in play.

Also, there is no guarantee that a private school education is a good education. It varies from state to state but private schools don't have to abide by the same standards as public schools.

State to state? Try to school to school.

Standards mean nothing in the large scale of things.
 
Still waiting for anyone to supply the data which shows that private schools do a better job at educating children than public schools do?

How about you Henrin? Got any authoritative data for us from objective sources that back up your belief in private schools?
 
How very defensive

LOL! Wait, so you are OFFENSIVE to a person and then turn around and call them defensive when they tell you you are wrong? uhh-yeah... whatever.

State to state? Try to school to school.

Standards mean nothing in the large scale of things

Sure they do. Standards only mean nothing when they don't work.
 

power has nothing to do with it. the union chose not to help him. as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about
 
Sure they do. Standards only mean nothing when they don't work.

Government standards mean nothing. In house standards on the other hand are most likely going to be followed or at least attempted to be followed. Government standards in government instutions or in general are going to be loopholed to death as no one gives a flying **** about them and in truth don't much like the idea of being forced to do something they don't much care to do.
 
power has nothing to do with it. the union chose not to help him. as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about

I'm sorry your friend had a bad time however this is one instance and does not represent everyone's experience.
 

You tried to imply that I don't know what I am talking about. I pointed out that you don't know what I know. I didn't imply anything. I stated very clearly that private schools can be exclusive and public schools cannot. I also listed a few of the many ways in which public and private schools are different making comparison unfair.
 
Here is some information I found interesting that relates to this topic.

Private Schools Versus Public Schools | Private Vs Public
"Private schools are allowed to expel students and can choose not to allow certain students admittance. In fact, many private schools are difficult to get into. Public schools allow all students, regardless of religious creed, academic abilities or any other factor. "

Public Schools vs. Private Schools: New Study Says There is No Difference
"Many people assume that students enrolled in private schools perform better academically than do students attending public schools. The Center on Education Policy (CEP), however, disagrees. According to a new CEP study released this week, private school students and public school students perform equally on achievement tests in math, reading, science, and history."

Percentage distribution of students ages 5 through 17 attending kindergarten through 12th grade, by school type or participation in homeschooling and selected child, parent, and household characteristics: 1999, 2003, and 2007

NAEP Studies - 2006461: Comparing Private Schools and Public Schools Using Hierarchical Linear Modeling
 
Of course there are going to be schools with low dropout rates, never said there wasn't. Although it's off topic, I'm sure privates are much much lower than publics. Why do you think there is an increased need for special education teachers? ...take a guess.
 

If you are so worried about this then take them out when comparing. I assure you that what you are talking about isn't the average.


Achievement tests mean nothing. Need something not using such idiotic measuring tools to mean anything.


Sorry, but NAEP is a division of the U.S. Department of Education. The idea that you would think going to the U.S Department of Education for information on how their institution weighs against the private sector makes no sense to me. You wouldn't go to one company to see how they do in their industry so why are you so comfortable doing it with the government? Sorry, if I think its idiotic.
 
The US Constitution does not grant the power of regulating and or funding education!
We need to separate the federal/national government from the educational system.
Educational decisions should be made at the state, local, and or personal level but, in the end the power should be with the parents.
 
I offer some proof of my facts you offer none. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it. It's so handy to just refuse to believe evidence when it disproves your point. You're not sorry you called me idiotic but you should be sorry for your narrowminded childish behavior. It seems the best you can do is stick your fingers in your ears and say, " la, la, la, not listening!"
 
Causal relationship error. Any prefroming better is more likely linked to a the student population and not unions.

Thanks for proving we don't need unions. Pass this info along to haymarket.
 
All unions serve their members. Students are not memebers, just a auto unions are not for the car buyer. However, this doesn't make either anti students or car buyers.

You don't care about the education of our children, you just want unions to exist. Do you even have children?
 
You don't care about the education of our children, you just want unions to exist. Do you even have children?

Wow, what a silly response. Let me repeat, I've belonged to any union. Ever. And I have a son and a daughter. My daughter is in her twenties, going to school in Southern Illinois. My son is just now 21. He's going to a communiy college and working full time. I attended their classes while they were in school, at all levels, to see what was going on.

Now, none of that matters at all to what I said, and you didn't give any serious or logic response to what I did say, so I'll repeat it to see if you can give a logical and coherent response:

Boo said:
All unions serve their members. Students are not memebers, just a auto unions are not for the car buyer. However, this doesn't make either anti students or car buyers.
 

While we're busy rolling back education to the 1920s, perhaps we should do the same with medicine, economics (since the practices of the '20s worked out so well in the next decade), sociology (including race relations), and perhaps science and technology as well. They don't make 'em like the Model A any more, you know.
 
Just another reason for me not to like you, you're a Saluki. Go Leathernecks

:wink:
 
Thanks for proving we don't need unions. Pass this info along to haymarket.

Is it your habit to make silly posts completely and totally misconstruing the quote that you included with it from another poster.

yeah , I know - dumb question.
 
power has nothing to do with it. the union chose not to help him. as usual, you have no idea what you are talking about

There is a good reason why I do not know the details of this incident.
YOU, who brought it up, failed to provide the relevant information to make the determination that it was the unions fault.
Blame your self for your own failings and shortcomings.

And if you cannot see the inherent contradiction in your own post when it is plainly show to you, you really have problems in the area of comprehension.
 

Why don't you all bestow your insight and wisdom upon us Oh Learned One?
 
All unions serve their members. Students are not memebers, just a auto unions are not for the car buyer. However, this doesn't make either anti students or car buyers.

Cars are not a necessity, nor is there an intrinsic monopoly as there is in education. If I don't want to buy an overpriced union-made car, I'll either buy one somewhere else or I'll just do without a car. Neither of those options are possible/acceptable in education.

You're right that teachers' unions have their own members' interests in mind, and not the students. It doesn't make them "anti-students," but it leads them to advocate policies that will benefit their members regardless of whom it hurts (like the students). Our schools would be better off if these archaic institutions died a quick death.
 

Sure they are. Home school. By all means, pay for private school. And frankly, I see no evidence unions hurt students. We don't have to keep poor teachers. You can still get rid of them. All you have to do is document and make the case. I fail to see why so much energy is spent fighting the wrong fights when it comes to education.
 
Sure they are. Home school. By all means, pay for private school.

Those options are nice for wealthy yuppies, but not always possible for poor minorities living in inner cities and attending failing schools.


In many cities/states, the unions can and will fight tooth and nail against every dismissal of every teacher, no matter how much documentation there is or how valid the reason for the termination. It was like that here in DC prior to Michelle Rhee's tenure. It's still nearly impossible in New York City, despite having a progressive superintendent dedicated to education reform.
 
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