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Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
 
NatMorton said:
Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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Now you get to tell us who is indifferent about this.

Don't be shy.
 
NatMorton said:
Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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I agree with a caveat. His death was a tragedy that deserves to be acknowledge. But it's not the indifference that's worse. It's the acceptance that these things happen that's worse. A student transferred to the school where the shooting in Colorado took place. He said "I just moved here, I didn't expect this to happen to so soon."

A person being killed by a gun is so mundane in this country that it's just something people expect to happen. It's not an issue of people being apathetic, but resigned to dying from a shooting. That's the tragedy of it all. And things won't change any time soon.
 
NatMorton said:
Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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Ask yourself why you're apathetic over all the senseless deaths you're unaware of, and then you'll know why I don't care about Charlie Kirk.

One must know who someone is before they can feel one way or the other toward them.

The mindset displayed in the OP is one of compliance. Obedience. Very Kirkian.

I feel no different about Kirk's death than I do about other senseless deaths. I don't grieve over people I don't know. Not Minnesota Democrats nor right-wing influencers. I save my emotions for those I love. That's just me.
 
NatMorton said:
Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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This is almost comical in light of the sadistic cruelty Trump and Kirk have visited upon others.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
A person being killed by a gun is so mundane in this country that it's just something people expect to happen. It's not an issue of people being apathetic, but resigned to dying from a shooting. That's the tragedy of it all. And things won't change any time soon
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Yep.

Since Kirk died, how many other Americans have died at the barrel of a gun and no one even knows their names

😔
 
Scatty Kitty said:
I agree with a caveat. His death was a tragedy that deserves to be acknowledge. But it's not the indifference that's worse. It's the acceptance that these things happen that's worse. A student transferred to the school where the shooting in Colorado took place. He said "I just moved here, I didn't expect this to happen to so soon."

A person being killed by a gun is so mundane in this country that it's just something people expect to happen. It's not an issue of people being apathetic, but resigned to dying from a shooting. That's the tragedy of it all. And things won't change any time soon.
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I hear you, and I'm not saying that you're indifferent, but there are people even on this site who are expressing indifference (and seemingly proud of it, too).
 
BirdinHand said:
Yep.

Since Kirk died, how many other Americans have died at the barrel of a gun and no one even knows their names

😔
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Yup. And I don't think the OP even understands just how bad the situation is. I don't think NatMorton realizes that it's not apathy but resignation.
 
BirdinHand said:
What does the general apathy about school shootings in this country say?
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Much like all forms of gun violence, we have become far too accustomed to it. I try not to be, which is why I support extreme law enforcement measures like updating the Second Amendment and National Guard deployment in high crime areas, but that is a topic for another thread.
 
NatMorton said:
I hear you, and I'm not saying that you're indifferent, but there are people even on this site who are expressing indifference (and seemingly proud of it, too).
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That's a defense reaction to resignation. Just double down on the resignation to the point it comes across as apathy.
 
NatMorton said:
I hear you, and I'm not saying that you're indifferent, but there are people even on this site who are expressing indifference (and seemingly proud of it, too).
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What is the issue with indifference?

Is everyone expected to show emotion about every murder that happens in the US?

Why the demand that individuals show a specific emotion regarding this murder?
 
NatMorton said:
The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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You’re getting nostalgic for a country that no longer exists. In historical terms, universal mourning for your political enemy is a phenomenon which really only existed during the post-war Pax Americana and even then, things were super hot during civil rights, Vietnam, Rodney King, etc.

Instead of moralizing, I honestly think it’s just better to accept that we are where we are. No amount of pleading with people to engage in civility will make it so.

In fairness, almost no one who engages in politics is truly ready for politics to become more martial than ideological, but that’s not going to stop myopic idiots from telling you about all of their stupid ideas.
 
NatMorton said:
Which is worse, examples of celebrating over Kirk's murder or acts of indifference?

For my money, it's the latter. Those who celebrate a murder of this kind do more than an effective job of declaring themselves as idiots. They almost don't need condemnation because their own actions make their low character manifest. Not to turn this into a Trump thread, and it's not exactly the same thing, but I didn't need anyone to convince me that Trump was, morally, a piece of shit once I heard is comments dismissing John McCain's time as a prisoner of war. Such actions are self-defining.

The apathy over Kirk's murder is, IMO, a bit more troubling. It really does demonstrate a mindset that puts politics over basic human rights, and it's not just coming from our society's fringe. And that is no small concern.
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Celebrating Kirk's assassination is far, far worse, so I'd like to see an accounting of those on DP who did.

There will be hell to pay!

MAGA.
 
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NatMorton said:
Much like all forms of gun violence, we have become far too accustomed to it. I try not to be, which is why I support extreme law enforcement measures like updating the Second Amendment and National Guard deployment in high crime areas, but that is a topic for another thread.
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Well, at least it is a recognition there is a problem.

That’s a start.

Hell…if Kirk getting gunned down is what it takes to bring about some sort of change regarding gun deaths in this country, I’ll be the first to help build the man a god damned statue.


Unfortunately, I doubt that will be the case.
 
I don't sense indifference at all. For my part violence is never something to celebrate. I don’t agree with his rhetoric but that was certainly no reason to kill him. I am more concerned with the need of some, left and right , to politicize the shooting and bring in elements meant to demonize. I am also deeply concerned that Trump's rhetoric will trigger a revenge murder. So I'm certainly not indifferent to the event and it's aftermath.
 
BirdinHand said:
Well, at least it is a recognition there is a problem.

That’s a start.

Hell…if Kirk getting gunned down is what it takes to bring about some sort of change regarding gun deaths in this country, I’ll be the first to help build the man a god damned statue.


Unfortunately, I doubt that will be the case.
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We're gonna need a bigger Guard.
 
BirdinHand said:
What is the issue with indifference?

Is everyone expected to show emotion about every murder that happens in the US?

Why the demand that individuals show a specific emotion regarding this murder?
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One does not need to show emotion to show concern. This is not that emotional an event for me, either. I didn't know Kirk. I don't know his family. I am not grieving, and I don't expect others similarly distant from Kirk to grieve, either.

I do expect rational adults to be concerned about the event, a man gunned down for engaging in political speech.
 
j brown's body said:
We're gonna need a bigger Guard.
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Trump already stated he had no appetite to deploy our National Guard to protect schools after an 8 and 10 year old were murdered a few weeks ago.

I don’t expect that to suddenly change
 
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