So what DID you mean?
My statement was for others, not you. I don't expect you to understand, and I don't care what you understand and don't.
This is one of the few subjects on which I disagree with many of my fellow libertarians. I think the benefit of (most) anti-discrimination laws is ultimately worth the small sacrifice of some people's liberty.
If you want to open your business to the public, that is exactly what you're going to have to do.
The point is you are not serving them. Some people may say any person who works consumer service does serve the public. That doesn't mean you are a servant, and neither are people who have to sell lottery tickets to people on welfare. They may hate the idea but that does not make them a servant. The whole word is being so misused.
Nice play on words, but no. Not being able to discriminate based on race doesn't make anyone a servent.
what? are you admitting government is violating the bakers right........ you dont like the Constitution at all, it it gets in your way do you.
government passes a standard of conduct.????....hmmmm. then that would also give them the power to set conduct for how we behave in our life's to.......no sleeping around, no over eating or drinking, no foul language, no porn, ......i wonder when government got authority to be a moral entity.....since it is composed of people, ...so elected leaders, are morally superior to me and the rest of the population.
your Jim crow law does not work, that was government discrimination, and it has been stated to you several times and you keep using it, because you out of ammo.
Yeah, and that last part is why we have Civil Rights.
If businesses are allowed to discriminate, then the allowance of that discrimination must be backed by the force of law...which effectively makes it Jim Crow in all but name. You can deny it all you want...but that, sir, is a fact.
Yes, it still does exist. But like the rest of my statement says that you apparently ignored, its not near as rampant as many would like to believe or espouse.
Are you white? If so, that's probably why you don't think it's nearly as rampant as non-whites know it to be. The fact that you don't see signs enforcing racism doesn't mean it isn't there. Live with non-whites for a while, get them to truly trust you, that they know you're on their side...and then they'll start giving example after example after example of how they are discriminated against even today.
Wait - let me guess - you're going to tell me you've got some black friends who told you this and that, right? Mm-hmm...sure.
Everyone discriminates. I don't go to rap concerts or tractor pulls. There is no right to racial discrimination but nothing stops an individual to not accept white or black friends. If you are talking about companies that serve the public the right to discriminate doesn't exist.
Are you white? If so, that's probably why you don't think it's nearly as rampant as non-whites know it to be. The fact that you don't see signs enforcing racism doesn't mean it isn't there. Live with non-whites for a while, get them to truly trust you, that they know you're on their side...and then they'll start giving example after example after example of how they are discriminated against even today.
Wait - let me guess - you're going to tell me you've got some black friends who told you this and that, right? Mm-hmm...sure.
And everybody sometimes wants to punch the other guy in the face sometimes, too...but that doesn't make it right or acceptable to actually do it.
Yes, you are serving them. That's what the whole service industry is about. Serving. The name is built right in there. The difference here is whether you are serving someone willingly or unwillingly. Willingly, you are not a servant. Unwillingly and you are a servant.
So, are you saying if I dislike serving a cranky person I'm suddenly a servant? I must be a slave then because I served plenty a cranky person in my life. I didn't run around telling people I was a slave though because I understood 98% of the time it had nothing to do with me just like the attributes of another person has nothing to do with me. I'm only a slave to my own prejudices and not a slave to another person wanting to do business with me.
Do show where a person has a right to force others to provide service to them.
Are you the owner of the company? If not then you are an employee. You have to do what your employer tells you do to or you can quit. You don't have a right to a job.
Really, I need to show you that people can get into legal problems if they refuse service based on someone's attributes? A quick google search can give you cases. Denny's has been in hot water for such violations before as well as several other chains.
So, only the owner is allowed to feel like a slave?
Perhaps I should have clarified again. Remember what I mentioned previously? The 13th and 14th Amendments? I'm talking about Constitutionally. Not federal law.
Employees are free to leave at any time with no lose of property. A business owner cannot.
It couldn't be federal law if it was unconstitutional.
A business owner can also leave at any time. He would not lose the property that was legally his.
Actually it can be and is. Lots of things that are unconstitutional gets implemented all the time, even with SCOTUS's blessing.
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