So, which came first - the chicken or the egg?
Why?
Unless you believe that an egg evolved from a single cell organism, don't you have to accept that a "creature" of some sort existed before the first egg was laid?
My only point is that if we follow the evolutionary trail, the origin of the chicken, traced back, is not an egg but a creature of some sort that evolved to the point where it laid eggs and from their evolved further into what would be considered modern day chickens. Eggs that hatched into creatures didn't just appear one day, unless you believe in creation theory and then you could have Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and an egg that popped out a KFC ready chicken.
And to be clear, an egg is fertilized and formed within the chicken's body. Without the chicken's body, you have no fertilized egg.
Evolution happens to populations not individuals so there wouldn't have been a single chicken or egg that this could have happened to.
but that creature whose body fertilized and formed the first chicken egg wasn't a chicken! the creature in the egg was, but the creature that laid the egg wasn't a chicken.
an egg is a single cell organism. The shell is only the method to transfer the incubation from inside to outside the host.
So, which came first - the chicken or the egg?
Why?
So, which came first - the chicken or the egg?
Why?
there necessarily MUST have been a first chicken
So you're a fan of a form of immaculate conception. Creatures just magically pop out eggs containing entirely new and totally unrelated creatures. It's like a Kinder Surprise Egg with every laying.
Evolution is a change in populations, there wouldn't be a Chicken unless a population of Chickens evolved. Individuals don't Evolve populations do.
So you're a fan of a form of immaculate conception. Creatures just magically pop out eggs containing entirely new and totally unrelated creatures. It's like a Kinder Surprise Egg with every laying.
right, but the first chicken in that population would still be the first chicken. whichever chicken in the population came out first would have been the first chicken.
No. It's evolution, mutation, and perhaps even some hybridization. Not magic. I mean the first cockapoo didn't arrive from nowhere, it was a fertilized egg that came to fruition but neither parent was a cockapoo.
Were the sire and the bitch of the first cockapoo both dogs? Is the cockapoo still a dog? Evolution doesn't take a cow and a lizard mating to immediately produce a chicken, so your analogy is off. Your analogy is more like a white Canadian mating with a oriental. The result is still a human.
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there necessarily MUST have been a first chicken
No because it wouldn't be a recognisable or distinct species of chicken unless the mutation became prevalent in a population. I realise that this is a subtle distinction but, an isolated mutation is not Evolution and a species does not exist as a single entity.
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