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Where is the SON in the Hebrew Bible?

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So, a young Jewish man asks, "Where is the SON mentioned in the Tanakh?" And he is shown by another Hebrew man!
 
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The concept of a "son" is represented by the Hebrew word "ben" (בֵּן) and its plural "banim" (בנים) or "bnei" (בְּנֵי)
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This word appears frequently throughout the Hebrew Bible, carrying various meanings:

Direct male offspring: This is the most straightforward meaning, referring to a biological child.

Descendants or posterity: It can refer to a person's future generations, not just direct children, according to Bible Hub.

Members of a group or class: For example, "sons of the prophets" refers to members of a prophetic guild, not necessarily biological descendants of prophets.

Individuals or groups associated with a particular place or characteristic: For example, "sons of Zion" refers to the inhabitants of Zion.

Figurative or idiomatic uses:

It can indicate likeness, nature, destiny, or relationship.
"Son of Belial" refers to a worthless or wicked person.
"Sons of death" refers to those destined to die.
"Son of consolation" is a descriptive term, as in the case of Barnabas.

Important passages and contexts:

Psalm 2:7: "You are my Son; today I have begotten you," according to TorahBytes. This verse is often interpreted as referring to the ideal Davidic king or the Messiah, highlighting a special relationship with God rather than a physical begetting.

2 Samuel 7:14: God says to David, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son". This can be understood as referring to both Solomon and the future Messiah.

Exodus 4:22: God refers to Israel as His "firstborn son", highlighting a special covenantal relationship rather than biological parentage.

The phrase "sons of God" (בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים - bənê hāʼĕlōhîm):

This phrase appears in various contexts, including Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, and Deuteronomy 32:8.

Interpretations vary, with some suggesting it refers to angelic beings, while others understand it to refer to humans who have a special relationship with God.

The Hebrew word "ben" and its related forms provide a rich and multifaceted understanding of the term "son" in the Hebrew Bible. It extends beyond a purely biological definition to encompass concepts of lineage, group membership, character, and relationship with God.
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Daisy said:
The concept of a "son" is represented by the Hebrew word "ben" (בֵּן) and its plural "banim" (בנים) or "bnei" (בְּנֵי)
.
This word appears frequently throughout the Hebrew Bible, carrying various meanings:

Direct male offspring: This is the most straightforward meaning, referring to a biological child.

Descendants or posterity: It can refer to a person's future generations, not just direct children, according to Bible Hub.

Members of a group or class: For example, "sons of the prophets" refers to members of a prophetic guild, not necessarily biological descendants of prophets.

Individuals or groups associated with a particular place or characteristic: For example, "sons of Zion" refers to the inhabitants of Zion.

Figurative or idiomatic uses:

It can indicate likeness, nature, destiny, or relationship.
"Son of Belial" refers to a worthless or wicked person.
"Sons of death" refers to those destined to die.
"Son of consolation" is a descriptive term, as in the case of Barnabas.

Important passages and contexts:

Psalm 2:7: "You are my Son; today I have begotten you," according to TorahBytes. This verse is often interpreted as referring to the ideal Davidic king or the Messiah, highlighting a special relationship with God rather than a physical begetting.

2 Samuel 7:14: God says to David, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son". This can be understood as referring to both Solomon and the future Messiah.

Exodus 4:22: God refers to Israel as His "firstborn son", highlighting a special covenantal relationship rather than biological parentage.

The phrase "sons of God" (בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים - bənê hāʼĕlōhîm):

This phrase appears in various contexts, including Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, and Deuteronomy 32:8.

Interpretations vary, with some suggesting it refers to angelic beings, while others understand it to refer to humans who have a special relationship with God.

The Hebrew word "ben" and its related forms provide a rich and multifaceted understanding of the term "son" in the Hebrew Bible. It extends beyond a purely biological definition to encompass concepts of lineage, group membership, character, and relationship with God.
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In context of the entire Bible, there is only ONE SON. You seem intent to deny CHRIST HIS rightful place. You should take up Hebrew in a University or College. You are being manipulated by what and how the JW organization wishes you to believe.
 
Are you taking about Jesus?

If so, the answer is: nowhere.

It's the reason I left Christianity after 20 years.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
That's debatable.
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Of course it is, but I can tell you I dedicated several months to the study of the topic, and I personally was not able to find sufficient "evidence" of the person who was to be NT Jesus being predicted/prophesied in the Hebrew bible. It was the reason that I, a Christian at the time for 20 years, left the religion.
 
Airyaman said:
Of course it is, but I can tell you I dedicated several months to the study of the topic, and I personally was not able to find sufficient "evidence" of the person who was to be NT Jesus being predicted/prophesied in the Hebrew bible. It was the reason that I, a Christian at the time for 20 years, left the religion.
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You must be nearsighted. There are Jews who have been read this and think that they are being read from the New Testament.

Isaiah 53
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1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 ;He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
 
And this passage also that appears to describe crucifixion

PSALM 22

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
 
Airyaman said:
Of course it is, but I can tell you I dedicated several months to the study of the topic, and I personally was not able to find sufficient "evidence" of the person who was to be NT Jesus being predicted/prophesied in the Hebrew bible. It was the reason that I, a Christian at the time for 20 years, left the religion.
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Seems to me like a strange angle to approach a problem. Why not look at the evidence of the Resurrection and work your way back?
 
Mulefoot said:
Seems to me like a strange angle to approach a problem. Why not look at the evidence of the Resurrection and work your way back?
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There is no evidence of any resurrection outside of the bible.

No, I wanted to know why Jews did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. I found out why by studying their scripture.

The character of Jesus was not predicted in the OT. He is likely just a creation of 1st century Jews who mixed their religion with pagan elements.
 
Airyaman said:
There is no evidence of any resurrection outside of the bible.

No, I wanted to know why Jews did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. I found out why by studying their scripture.
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Why demean the Bible as less than what would constitute evidence on outside the Bible, yet look for evidence for the Messiah within it?

Seems to be a very inconsistent approach.
 
Mulefoot said:
Why demean the Bible as less than what would constitute evidence on outside the Bible, yet look for evidence for the Messiah within it?

Seems to be a very inconsistent approach.
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Because at the time I was a Christian and believed in the resurrection.
 
Airyaman said:
Because at the time I was a Christian and believed in the resurrection.
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Don't get it. You are looking for evidence of a foretold Messiah in the Bible, while simultaneously discrediting the Bible as a standard of evidence for the Messiah.

You're trapped in a loop.
 
LittleNipper said:
So, a young Jewish man asks, "Where is the SON mentioned in the Tanakh?" And he is shown by another Hebrew man!
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Not sure. In Bible 2.0, the Son goes to school during the day, and in the evenings he’s playing with friends or doing stuff online.
 
Mulefoot said:
Don't get it. You are looking for evidence of a foretold Messiah in the Bible, while simultaneously discrediting the Bible as a standard of evidence for the Messiah.

You're trapped in a loop.
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No, that is my current position. At the time I believed all of the scriptures were "true".
 
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