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Where Faith Ends

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In a sense, we all have faith (faith as defined by holding a specific belief without hard evidence). Only, some of us have a lot less of it than others. Where does your faith end?

In a simple sense, I can say this. My faith is such that I know no god will grow back an amputated limb. However, I am not so sure that this same god might not present an apple within reach of the paraplegic with no limbs. If that makes sense?

I guess the question is. Assuming you are of the faithful, is there a limit to your faith?
 
To do with the OP scenario, I've no faith that there is a supernatural being, a god. That's one limit. However, a limbless person that has faith in a god might thus create condition that would present that apple. Even though the fact of the matter is there is no god.
 
Faith should not be static but should continue to grow throughout your life...2 Thessalonians 1:3...
 
bluesmoke said:
To do with the OP scenario, I've no faith that there is a supernatural being, a god. That's one limit. However, a limbless person that has faith in a god might thus create condition that would present that apple. Even though the fact of the matter is there is no god.
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That's almost how I view it. I have faith in "something." I would not call it a god though, at least not in the conventional sense.
 
Elora said:
Faith should not be static but should continue to grow throughout your life...2 Thessalonians 1:3...
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One reason I reject religion is that it is static. Hell, they still cling to shit that has been long ago proven false. One must remain dynamic in their thinking, adjust with new data and circumstance.
 
I generally don't have faith in faith.

I agree that some faith is required...otherwise you don't get past questions of things like you see in The Meditations by Descartes... Are we living in a dream? Spock's brain running a ship? Etc...

But, the amount of faith to believe that we can trust our senses is much less, IMO, than the amount of faith that is required to believe in God, Odin, Allah, Santa, the Great Marshmallow or whatever.
 
Drowning Man said:
I generally don't have faith in faith.

I agree that some faith is required...otherwise you don't get past questions of things like you see in The Meditations by Descartes... Are we living in a dream? Spock's brain running a ship? Etc...

But, the amount of faith to believe that we can trust our senses is much less, IMO, than the amount of faith that is required to believe in God, Odin, Allah, Santa, the Great Marshmallow or whatever.
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I sort of view faith, at least my faith, as an unfounded confidence that things will work out for the best. I guess that is based on the experience of seeing that things usually do work out for the best. And, if by chance they do not...well, it is what it is.
 
calamity said:
Yes. You only need to open your eyes and close the book of dogma.
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No, you open your eyes, much of it has been proven true and what hasn't is believed upon faith...
 
Elora said:
No, you open your eyes, much of it has been proven true and what hasn't is believed upon faith...
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Nonsense. It's one thing to explore the deeper philosophical angles written into the works of ancient cultures. But, to take the words literally, as if they were written by god, is a bit more than just a little delusional.

Dogma is not to be taken seriously. Not if one wants their opinions to be taken seriously.
 
calamity said:
to take the words literally, as if they were written by god, is a bit more than just a little delusional.
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What's delusional is to think they're not written by God...

This is man's work...our planet resting on the shoulders of a giant or on the backs of elephants that stand on a turtle...

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This is God's work, written some 3,500 years ago...not until 18th century were scientists accepting the idea that stars and planets might hang in a void...

"He stretches out the northern sky over empty space,
Suspending the earth upon nothing;" Job 26:7
 
calamity said:
One reason I reject religion is that it is static. Hell, they still cling to shit that has been long ago proven false. One must remain dynamic in their thinking, adjust with new data and circumstance.
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What are you claiming has been proven false?
 
Elora said:
What's delusional is to think they're not written by God...

This is man's work...our planet resting on the shoulders of a giant or on the backs of elephants that stand on a turtle...

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This is God's work, written some 3,500 years ago...not until 18th century were scientists accepting the idea that stars and planets might hang in a void...

"He stretches out the northern sky over empty space,
Suspending the earth upon nothing;" Job 26:7
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lol

Seriously, the ignorance in that post is humorous. Greeks knew about all this stuff long before the Bible came along.
 
And then there's this...Job 36...remember, this was written some 3,500 years ago...

27 He draws up the drops of water;
They condense into rain from his mist;

28 Then the clouds pour it down;
They shower down upon mankind.

Here the Bible describes the three main steps of the hydrologic cycle. God—the Source of solar heat—“draws up the drops of water” by (1) evaporation. Then, by means of (2) condensation, the uplifted water vapor forms clouds that pour water down as rain or some other form of (3) precipitation. Even now, meteorologists do not fully understand all the details of the phenomenon of rain. Interestingly, the Bible asks: “Can anyone understand the layers of clouds?” (Job 36:29) The Creator, however, does understand the rain cycle and saw to it that a human writer would include the facts accurately in the Bible. And he did this long before men could explain the basic process scientifically.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102017086
 
calamity said:
lol

Seriously, the ignorance in that post is humorous. Greeks knew about all this stuff long before the Bible came along.
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Yes, man's wisdom, when compared to God's, is rather funny...:sneaky:
 
Elora said:
Yes, man's wisdom, when compared to God's, is rather funny...:sneaky:
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lol...leaning too heavily on god is likely sinful. It blinds people to what really matters---people.
 
And then there's this...written by David some 3,000 years ago...

"Your eyes even saw me as an embryo;
All its parts were written in your book
Regarding the days when they were formed,
Before any of them existed." Psalm 139:16

Yet, it was not until the mid-1800’s that Austrian botanist Gregor Mendel discovered the basic principles of genetics. And only in April 2003 did researchers finish sequencing the human genome, which contains all the genetic information needed to build a living human body. Scientists have described the genetic chemical code as being like a dictionary filled with words made up of the letters of an alphabet. The words form the genetic instructions. Based on these instructions, the embryo’s parts—such as the brain, heart, lungs, and limbs—develop in precise sequence and with perfect timing. Fittingly, the genome has been described by scientists as “the book of life.” How was the Bible writer David able to be so accurate? He humbly admitted: “The spirit of Jehovah spoke through me; his word was on my tongue.”*—2 Samuel 23:2.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102017086
 
calamity said:
lol...leaning too heavily on god is likely sinful. It blinds people to what really matters---people.
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Leaning on God opens people's eyes to what really matters...

"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad." Ecclesiastes 12:13,14
 
calamity said:
People matter. Gods are imaginary.
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Life without God is uncertain...people can accomplish nothing lasting without Jehovah’s help...James 4...

13 Come, now, you who say: “Today or tomorrow we will travel to this city and will spend a year there, and we will do business and make some profit,”

14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears.
 
Elora said:
Life without God is uncertain...
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Too many people put their fantasies over real relationships. Porn loves that. Religion is just God Porn.

Here's a clue. If you spend more time alone staring at a book than you do with other humans, it's "porn."
 
calamity said:
Too many people put their fantasies over real relationships. Porn loves that. Religion is just God Porn.

Here's a clue. If you spend more time alone staring at a book than you do with other humans, it's "porn."
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And if I spend my time staring at a book with other humans, all is good...😊
 
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