When are the traitors leaving?

[Maximus Zeebra]

As far I heard Obama will take over on the 20th of January, correct? What will happen then? Will the previous government be charged and tried for their warcrimes, the treason against their own country, and the endless suffering they brought?

What have Obama said about all this? Will Bush and his cabinet of criminals be sent to trial? All of them or just Bush¿ I am interested in learning about the details about this, because I certainly ****ing hope the US expect people to forget what they did just because Obama is doing a good job..

Those people must be held accountable, 911 must have a proper international investigation and a proper US investigation around what happend, the Iraq war and the war in Afrghanistan also need to be looked into as things that are potentially mass murder by a few dusins of people and their choices.

 

[Harshaw]

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz. :roll:

 

[ADK_Forever]

Obama said he will look into crimes committed. Bush and company however, may be protected by Bush's pardons!!! :roll: We'll have to wait an see.

 

[Kernel Sanders]

Obama said he will look into crimes committed. Bush and company however, may be protected by Bush's pardons!!! :roll: We'll have to wait an see.

Even if nobody gets indicted for anything (which is probable), an investigation into and publication of the previous administration's actions would be enough for me

 

[Kandahar]

As far I heard Obama will take over on the 20th of January, correct? What will happen then? Will the previous government be charged and tried for their warcrimes, the treason against their own country, and the endless suffering they brought?

What have Obama said about all this? Will Bush and his cabinet of criminals be sent to trial? All of them or just Bush¿ I am interested in learning about the details about this, because I certainly ****ing hope the US expect people to forget what they did just because Obama is doing a good job..

Those people must be held accountable, 911 must have a proper international investigation and a proper US investigation around what happend, the Iraq war and the war in Afrghanistan also need to be looked into as things that are potentially mass murder by a few dusins of people and their choices.

God you're annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even a real person, or if you're a ptsdkid-like persona that was invented specifically to troll.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

God you're annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even a real person, or if you're a ptsdkid-like persona that was invented specifically to troll.

Am I annoying because I do not overlook what you overlook? New election, and past crimes are just to be forgotten? Everything is fine now, yeah? Thats your opinions, because mine is not that..

 

[Ikari]

Am I annoying because I do not overlook what you overlook? New election, and past crimes are just to be forgotten? Everything is fine now, yeah? Thats your opinions, because mine is not that..

That's the way it works. If Obama goes after Bush for his treasons, then the next guy will go after Obama for his treasons he will commit in office. So both sides just bitch about the other side, but do their best to not actually take any action. As soon as a little bit of control and responsibility are injected into the system; this little balancing act the Repbulocrats have built up will fall apart. So they do their best not to upset it.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

That's the way it works. If Obama goes after Bush for his treasons, then the next guy will go after Obama for his treasons he will commit in office.

Thats the way it should be IF Obama does commit treason against his country, like Bush have clearly done.. He has made America hated, he have ruined your economy, your perspectives, he have worsened an already poor political situation in the US and many American lives have been lost, for what? The Iraq war in many eyes is an act of treason, but that really comes down to what really was the reason for the Iraq war, and those reasons have been very numerous and constantly changing since the beginning of the war.. What happend before the war was manipulation of the people by the government of the US, and if Bush and his cabinet had anything to do with that, it is clearly a reason for a severe penalty, I believe the US penalty for treason is death, correct?

So both sides just bitch about the other side, but do their best to not actually take any action. As soon as a little bit of control and responsibility are injected into the system; this little balancing act the Repbulocrats have built up will fall apart. So they do their best not to upset it.

Politicians MUST be held accountable for their actions, no matter which side, no matter who they are and where they are.. I know of many politicians that have done far worse things than all the terrorists combined.... Almost all politicians on earth have done worse things than any single terrorist have done.. If we do not hold our politicians accountable, then we are already in some sort of dictarotship/tyrrany..

My hopes is that the US populationa at least will wake up and hold politicians accountable, and resist a disfunctional political system, that they will press on for progress not only in lower taxes, but also a better political system, free of manipulation and focus on the wrong things.. I like the US in most ways, but I hate what it has become, and my hopes arent that great for the future of your country either. but I do hope, and I know there is a chance that the people of the US eventually will take back the power from the political tyrant system set up in the US...

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Even if nobody gets indicted for anything (which is probable), an investigation into and publication of the previous administration's actions would be enough for me

I also believe an international investigation into 911, Iraq and the last government is something that China, the European Union, Russia and other should press for in a friendly way..

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

God you're annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even a real person, or if you're a ptsdkid-like persona that was invented specifically to troll.

:lol: you know you are on the path of light and righteousness when both Jfuh and Ludahai thank you. :shock:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

God you're annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even a real person, or if you're a ptsdkid-like persona that was invented specifically to troll.

Hehe, I have heard about terrorists that make themself look like dumb people from the US with disguisting opinions about things, to make the US look even worse than it is.. I have heard of no such thing as someone pretending to be European to disagree with Americans in particular. I just do in many cases.. I think Europeans and Americans think in completely different ways and in different levels..


Try to follow this, its the missery of many people, for you to figure who..

Person A knows fact 1+2+3+4+5 and makes the logical conclution that fact 50 is a certain way based on his knowledge of fact 1+2+3+4+5..

When he tries to explain to a friend(person B) that fact 50 is like he(person A) says it is, his friend(person B) refuses to believe him, and starts coming with his opinions bases on for example only fact 1+3+5 or none of those facts at all, he refuses to acknowledge that fact 50 is like his friend is telling him, and he refuses to believe this because he do not view it with the same background knowledge..

Just like this principle is definetive and valid in billions of different ways between even just 2 people, then it is easy for me to conclude that none of you actually understand what I a talking about in most cases, and refuse to accept the points because our facts 1+2+3+4+5 is interpreted differently in most cases.. This is probably because I am European and most of you are Americans, and the same goes for me, and probably Europe and the US in general.. What I really wish for is that you start listening to what I am actually saying, without having to know fact 1+2+3+4+5 first, because it would be endlessly hopeless to explain all the backrgound knowledge in even 1 opinion, because that is a complex combination of different knowledge that none of you have identicaly with me.. I know this fact is valid also for me when listening to you, and therefor I probably listen to all of you in a different way then you listen to me, and when you have ready this, you will hopefully regard my opinions and posts with a more complex and mature view than some of you have in the past.. :rofl

The question then is Kandahar.. Who is actually trolling here? Me or you? :3oops:

 

[Ikari]

Thats the way it should be IF Obama does commit treason against his country, like Bush have clearly done.. He has made America hated, he have ruined your economy, your perspectives, he have worsened an already poor political situation in the US and many American lives have been lost, for what? The Iraq war in many eyes is an act of treason, but that really comes down to what really was the reason for the Iraq war, and those reasons have been very numerous and constantly changing since the beginning of the war.. What happend before the war was manipulation of the people by the government of the US, and if Bush and his cabinet had anything to do with that, it is clearly a reason for a severe penalty, I believe the US penalty for treason is death, correct?

You know Obama is going to continue the war right? Even talked about being "tough" with Pakistan and Syria. He's not going to stop this mess, he'll merely continue it on a different road. The government has been acting quite irresponsibly and outside the confines of the Constitution for some time, and that's an act of treason; to not obey the constraints and chains of the Constitution. Of course Obama will continue with it, he's a standard politician. There was only one candidate I had any amount of faith in whom wouldn't; and that was Ron Paul. So no one in government is going to start holding other branches responsible; they don't want it to come back and bite them in the ass.

Politicians MUST be held accountable for their actions, no matter which side, no matter who they are and where they are.. I know of many politicians that have done far worse things than all the terrorists combined.... Almost all politicians on earth have done worse things than any single terrorist have done.. If we do not hold our politicians accountable, then we are already in some sort of dictarotship/tyrrany..

My hopes is that the US populationa at least will wake up and hold politicians accountable, and resist a disfunctional political system, that they will press on for progress not only in lower taxes, but also a better political system, free of manipulation and focus on the wrong things.. I like the US in most ways, but I hate what it has become, and my hopes arent that great for the future of your country either. but I do hope, and I know there is a chance that the people of the US eventually will take back the power from the political tyrant system set up in the US...

I agree whole heartily that the politicians must be held accountable. The People must do something about it. Whether it be through vote of violence (though I think we can still peacefully resolve this issue for the time being). There are all sorts of things which have been placed to keep people from fair participation. But don't think that Obama will fix it, Obama is part of the problem.

 

[Hatuey]

I've said it a 100,000 times. The Bush administration can not keep a wiretapping operation away from the NEW YORK TIMES. Do you think they could POSSIBLY keep something in the magnitude of 9/11 away from ANYBODY? Zeebra. As much as I dislike telling people from other countries to stay out of U.S. politics. I think the BEST thing for you to do is buy yourself a ticket to America just so you can get a clue about what it is you're talking about. Do that or stay the **** away from U.S. politics.

PS : Does France still have flights leaving for America?

 

[Kandahar]

The question then is Kandahar.. Who is actually trolling here? Me or you? :3oops:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

You know Obama is going to continue the war right? Even talked about being "tough" with Pakistan and Syria. He's not going to stop this mess, he'll merely continue it on a different road. The government has been acting quite irresponsibly and outside the confines of the Constitution for some time, and that's an act of treason; to not obey the constraints and chains of the Constitution. Of course Obama will continue with it, he's a standard politician. There was only one candidate I had any amount of faith in whom wouldn't; and that was Ron Paul. So no one in government is going to start holding other branches responsible; they don't want it to come back and bite them in the ass.

Thats part of the problem, you cant ever trust what a politician says in an election, because they say it to get elected most of the time... I think moving on pakistan can become a deadly move for the US if he is considering that.. Pakstan is a nuclear armed country with part of the population well educated and hundreds of millions of people in general..

There are only two possible solutions in the middle east... Israel gives up, or the arab countries accept Israel.. Then there is peace.. Wars will make things MUCH worse and is more needed in Africa to protect and create stable political situations..

I agree whole heartily that the politicians must be held accountable. The People must do something about it. Whether it be through vote of violence (though I think we can still peacefully resolve this issue for the time being). There are all sorts of things which have been placed to keep people from fair participation. But don't think that Obama will fix it, Obama is part of the problem.

That might very well be that Obama is, but I am not really going to judge him yet, he isnt even president
But the probability is that you are correct. But the real problem with all this is the two party politics of the US which is creating these situations and people in the first place.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

I've said it a 100,000 times. The Bush administration can not keep a wiretapping operation away from the NEW YORK TIMES. Do you think they could POSSIBLY keep something in the magnitude of 9/11 away from ANYBODY? Zeebra. As much as I dislike telling people from other countries to stay out of U.S. politics. I think the BEST thing for you to do is buy yourself a ticket to America just so you can get a clue about what it is you're talking about. Do that or stay the **** away from U.S. politics.

PS : Does France still have flights leaving for America?

I have been in the US.. I didnt grow up in France, but I am very happy that I have French citizenship.. The situation in France is also deteriorating like in the US, but it isnt yet as bad.. There are more things about the French way of living that I admire than US way of living, no offense.. It is mostly because the French relax and do not always focus on work, they take time to relax. That I like, I like to relax, dont you?

 

[aps]

God you're annoying. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even a real person, or if you're a ptsdkid-like persona that was invented specifically to troll.

May I ask why his post is so annoying?

 

[First Thought]

May I ask why his post is so annoying?

Read it again. But slowly this time. Absorb the absurdity

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

May I ask why his post is so annoying?

Probably because its contrary to HIS opinion...

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Read it again. But slowly this time. Absorb the absurdity

What the HELL is absurd about it? Should we just except everything we are served and care no more for it? Should politicians not be held accountable? Should an election quality a group of people to do what they want and never stand accountable? now THAT is absurd!

 

[First Thought]

What the HELL is absurd about it? Should we just except everything we are served and care no more for it? Should politicians not be held accountable? Should an election quality a group of people to do what they want and never stand accountable? now THAT is absurd!

It's absurd to be extreme one way or the other. Bush sucked as a President. No one's denying this. However, he will not be found guilty of war crimes or see a day in prison.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

It's absurd to be extreme one way or the other. Bush sucked as a President. No one's denying this. However, he will not be found guilty of war crimes or see a day in prison.

Its not extreme to want accountability in politics... Come on....

 

[RightOfCenter]

Its not extreme to want accountability in politics... Come on....

No, it's not, but that's not what you're looking for. You're looking for Bush and Co to be tried as traitors. Look up the definition of treason. Not them. You're looking for war crimes. Those committed are taken care of internally by the UCMJ. You're asking for an international investigation on 9/11 which is just...well...dumb.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Its not extreme to want accountability in politics... Come on....

No, it's not extreme to expect accountability from politicians, however, there are a good number of people that refuse to accept even the possibility, that they are willing to reduce the debate to the level of a person arguing creationism, constantly raising the bar as to what is acceptable 'proof' (from liberal sources, to news sources, to even ORIGINAL source documents will not suffice) rather than conceding the possibility.

As much as I would like to see Bush, most of his cabinet, no less than 2/3 of congress have their actions fully investigated and charged where appropriate, it's actually unlikely that this will be allowed to take place. It seems the best that 'we the people' can hope for in terms of accountability would be to defeat them in the court of public opinion... Something that has happened with Bush at least... what with approximately 20% approval rating for Bush. Although this happened much too late for much to be done about it...

In the book, 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' from 'a project for a New American Century', written in 2000. There was a call for much of what we've seen politically, most notably the war in Iraq. It went so far as to say that the process leading up to these new wars would be a long one without a 'catalyzing event like a new pearl harbour'... whether or not that represents foreknowledge of 911 or not, the point is that this has so thoroughly hypnotized by it, and allowed so much of that agenda to be accomplished, that it wouldn't take much to speculate on further attacks to accomplish the same 'catalyzing' effect.

Then, Obama can go on with any 'unpopular' plans he might have with no problems... Gotta admit tho, Obama's got a LOT going for him... I mean,
a) If he can't get something done, it's because of Bush's actions previous to him
b) his opponents will be labelled as racist
c) He's a smooth talker, and has hypnotized a portion of the population with the prospect of change (those that will be the first to sign up for his 'youth squads')

Yes yes, that's speculation...

However, Bush, Cheney, and Obama are cousins : DISSING COUSINS: OBAMA, CHENEY, BUSH RELATED - New York Post
One could argue, if Bush and cheney, who BOTH have shown a blatant disregard for the people they are governing.... could you really expect much of a 'change' from Obama in that respect??

 

[Bonnie1988]

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz. :roll:

ditto here.

(but I agree about the contraction of Obama)