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What's the point of having so many special forces?
The U. S. Military is really a Socialist Jobs Program.
I was just curious whats the point of having so many groups with similar training and similar goals when they go out for missions. GB's are like Delta Boys and Delta boys are like Devgru and Devgru is similar to the SEALs and Rangers like Force Recon just like to blow everything up. What's the point of having so many special forces?
I joined the Army and tried to be Special Forces because I got drunk one night and bet a million dollars I could make it.
There are different forces, because each one has a very distinct specialty. And to an outsider that does not understand the differences, they probably all "look the same". But just like a Mustang is different from a Cadillac, which is different from a Citroen, which is different from a Fiat, which is different from a Hummer, (they all have an internal combustion engine, 4 wheels, and drive down roads) each Special Operations group is very different.
Green Berets actually specialize in training and operating with indiginous forces. Their main task is acutally as a "Force Multiplier", training and advising local forces. In this way, a small group can advise a much larger group, so for the investment of a Company worth of US troops, you get the effective might of a Division.
Rangers are the Army's "Shock Troops". Their specialty is taking difficult locations, with little support and holding it. They operate with organic support, and normally in advance of a much larger unit (division size or larger).
Seals are a multi-function Naval SOC. Their original purpose was and is to operate as part of "Underwater Demolitions", either destroying enemy vessels and port and support facilities, or guarding against such actions against our own forces. They also operate as a reconnaissance force, checking for obsticals and mines, tides, water depth, and forces inland of proposed landing beaches. They also scout for ports and other facilities that may be needed.
Force Recon fulfills a combination of Ranger and Seal tasks, but for the Marine Corps. They will either work in advance of a larger unit operating as a rreconnaissance unit, or they will open up avenues of approach for a Division sized force or smaller. While capable of fighting, their job is perfectly performed if they do their job without ever being detected.
And all Marine Infantry units are considered to be "Special Operations Capable". This is because they are all highly cross-trained in many forms of what is considered to be "Special Operations" functions. These include amphibious assaults, jungle warfare, mountain warfare, desert warfare, arctic warfare, helicopter assault, and operating in small numbers (frequently Company sized). And in 2005, 2 "MARSOC Battalions" were formed, that fulfill many tasks similar to the Green Berets, but specializing in training other Marine or "Naval Infantry" units.
And you also have several Air Force SOC units that are very specialized. Pararescue is dedicated to the rescue and recovery of downed pilots and crew. Combat Control Teams work as pathfinders, dropping behind enemy lines and setting up either advance air bases before any other forces arrive, or guiding in aircraft for bombing and strike missions.
Each of these groups however though is highly specialized. Green Berets are not trained to perform the duty of Pararescue or Combat Control Teams. And Rangers are not trained to do the job of SEALS. Force Recon is not trained to operate in the way that Green Berets are.
Ok, but what does DELTA or DEVGRU do? They are very similar to the Green Berets and SEALs. Do you think the GB's are not capable of killing enemy special forces? And DEVGRU come on!
Ok, but what does DELTA or DEVGRU do? They are very similar to the Green Berets and SEALs. Do you think the GB's are not capable of killing enemy special forces? And DEVGRU come on!
We like having lots of different forces. It's cool. :mrgreen:
So, DEVGRU sucked back then. But that can't be right. I have heard that they were great back when Marcinko(?) was in charge.Delta is an Army Anti-terrorist force. It specializes in hostage situations, and urban combat. Once again, very different then SF or any others.
DEVGRU is Seal Team Six. Basically, they are the Naval version of Delta, but specialize in protecting Naval assets from terrorist attacks.
And I have worked with Seal Team Six. And while I do not know how they operate today, they were pretty much a joke when they were formed
and expensive.
So, DEVGRU sucked back then. But that can't be right. I have heard that they were great back when Marcinko(?) was in charge.
Delta is also a first response unit? Which means that if someone needs to wipe-out ICBMs they would be the ones who'd do it. Right? Do you or have you ever heard of anything about Delta that can be reported now?
Every service branch needs its own special units for propaganda and recruiting purposes.
Delta is also a first response unit? Which means that if someone needs to wipe-out ICBMs they would be the ones who'd do it. Right?
Ok, but what does DELTA or DEVGRU do? They are very similar to the Green Berets and SEALs. Do you think the GB's are not capable of killing enemy special forces? And DEVGRU come on!
There are no Green Berets deployed on forward naval vessels and they are far from being like SEALs. They are Army. The Green Beret specialize in larger special missions and directly support regular Army units. Seals and Marine Recon specialize in smaller unit missions and can support an array of select missions that are not necessarily in support of military needs. Are you really looking for an answer or just being difficult because this stuff is basic. It's like asking why there is an Army and a Marine Corps. Or an Air Force and a Navy.
Maybe just being difficult. Now let's say that you have a pack of werewolves terrorizing rural America, who would be responsible for destroying them??
I joined the Army and tried to be Special Forces because I got drunk one night and bet a million dollars I could make it.
Oh wow. You're such a bad ass...:roll:
Or me.Maybe a Forest Ranger. Or Van Helsing.
But ultimately anti-terrorism on our soil falls within the realm of the FBI. The military actually has no jurisdiction upon our soil. Neither does the CIA. In 1993, the WTC was attacked and president Clinton treated it as a mere criminal act. Because of our laws, the CIA was unable to share information with the FBI. President Bush changed this law after 2001 and now they can both collaborate information to better secure our nation from threats abroad. But the military anti-terrorist organizations serves more to protect military installations and American interests abroad than it is about "investigating" in America. Our job is to prevent and stop before it crosses the Atlantic. The rest of up to civilians. Ironic how people still can't fathom the historical truth that our security has always relied upon the health of foriegn nations and regions.
So I am guessing you work for JSOC....or something in the pentagon?
But you said that the military anti-terrorist organizations serve to protect military installations, would that include those in the US? So then the military does have some jurisdiction here.
What type of secret stuff happens here?
This is just retarded.
Are there soldiers on naval ships? Are there Marines positioned on forward Air Force bases? Are there Marines traditionally attached to Army occupation forces? Do Air Force personnel usually hang out on naval vessels or forward areas?
Because each branch has its own unique mission, it must also have its own specialized organizations to deal with the extraordinary situations that arise. Marine Expeditionary Forces are the "911 force" of America and consist of Special Operations Capable units with Marine Recon and Navy Seals on board naval vessels. If the president decides that something needs to happen within 12 hours any where in the world, he does not have time to wait for Delta Force or the Green Beret to fly across the ocean. He has the MEUSOCs floating stategically and ready. In an occupation mission, which is historically an Army gig, they must have their special forces handy rather than waiting for Marine Recon or Navy Seals to show up. Air Force bases that need protection must rely upon internal specially trained personel and cannot take from the ground forces in the Army or Marine Corps who have more immediate enemy threats to contend with.
"Propaganda and recruiting tools?" Seriously?
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