What's the Point of a Honeymoon In the Modern Era?

[Dayton3]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

 

[Lisa]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

Its a vacation after the stress of the marriage preparations and an time to get to know each other as a committed couple.

Why is virginity such a biog deal to conservatives like yourself? Do you think that having sex actually changes a women? Having sex as a virgin is a comedy of errors because you dont know what you are doing and have no confidence. What happens if you aren't sexually compatible, but you only determine this after you get married?

 

[Dayton3]

Its a vacation after the stress of the marriage preparations and an time to get to know each other as a committed couple.

Why is virginity such a biog deal to conservatives like yourself? Do you think that having sex actually changes a women? Having sex as a virgin is a comedy of errors because you dont know what you are doing and have no confidence. What happens if you aren't sexually compatible, but you only determine this after you get married?

What happens if you find you are not "sexually compatible" before you are married? Do you just dump someone you love then?

And if people don't know each other after having sex for months or even years then simply going on a honeymoon isn't going to make a difference.

 

[Lisa]

What happens if you find you are not "sexually compatible" before you are married? Do you just dump someone you love then?

Sometimes the answer is yes. Why do you think that your bronze age religious rituals are relevant in the lives of others?

And if people don't know each other after having sex for months or even years then simply going on a honeymoon isn't going to make a difference.

The honeymoon is a well deserved vacation after spending the last 6 months to a year planning a very stressful vacation while working. Stop sticking your hyper conservative religious nose into the lives of others unless you want it whacked off by their privacy. People dont like Nazis and busybodies.

 

[Dayton3]

Sometimes the answer is yes. Why do you think that your bronze age religious rituals are relevant in the lives of others?

The honeymoon is a well deserved vacation after spending the last 6 months to a year planning a very stressful vacation while working. Stop sticking your hyper conservative religious nose into the lives of others unless you want it whacked off by their privacy. People dont like Nazis and busybodies.

Why do you call my religious rituals "bronze age"?

the Bronze Age is listed as being anywhere from 3,000 to 600 BC.

My beliefs are all New Testament based.

 

[Helix]

Seeing London and Northern England was pretty awesome. We both went while not being virgins. That didn't adversely affect the trip.

 

[Lisa]

Why do you call my religious rituals "bronze age"?

Because the focus on virginity of the women is an ancient religious myth of supposed purity with no bearing in fact or reality. Women arent the property of men, so grow up and move 2 millennium forward to the 21st century.

According to Sex, Society, and Medieval Women by scholar N.M. Heckel:

“In an era long before paternity tests, husbands needed some sort of assurance that the children borne by their wives were indeed of their blood, and taking a virgin wife was one way that a husband could increase those odds in his favor . . . Virginity’s monetary importance created a desire for ways to assure that a woman was indeed a virgin. Virgin brides generally came with higher dowries, making them more attractive to prospective grooms, and these prospective grooms, in return, were more likely to feel generous when it came to giving a return gift to the bride’s family. In order to help grooms ensure that the bride’s family was truthful about her ‘condition,’ many medical texts included descriptions of methods and processes that could be used to prove or disprove a woman’s chastity.”

These “physical exams” are something many would consider sexual assault today.


The commodification of women’s bodies is a longstanding tradition of capitalist patriarchy. If a woman’s body is an object, then virginity is a condition. In this way, women’s bodies become reliquaries for capitalist desire — blank spaces for projections of male fantasy — over-sexualized in order to move product in advertisements, for example. Originally, this notion of pure vs. impure was motivated by a spirit of conquest, oscillating between religious motivations and colonialist enterprise. This model yokes the woman into a painful binary: again, she’s either a virgin or a slut. This logic dictates that if something as “dangerous” as a women’s sexuality can be controlled, then so too can chaos; culturally we crave symbols of innocence and control, distancing ourselves from anything that renders us helpless, overwhelmed, or weak.

https://medium.com/the-establishment/a-quick-and-dirty-history-of-virginity-9ceb24b7e08a

 

[Dayton3]

Because the focus on virginity of the women is an ancient religious myth of supposed purity with no bearing in fact or reality.

Again, my religion beliefs are based in the New Testament which wasn't written until more than half a millennia AFTER the Bronze Age ended Yet you continue to misrepresent it as such

 

[Lisa]

Again, my religion beliefs are based in the New Testament which wasn't written until more than half a millennia AFTER the Bronze Age ended Yet you continue to misrepresent it as such

Most of the ideas of the New Testament are plagiarized from previous religions. The very core concept of a dying and rising savior born of a virgin birth in December was done 3+ time before Jesus. Christianity/the Bible is the Readers Digest condensed books of religion.

History records many dying-and-rising saviors. Examples from the Ancient Near East that preceded the Jesus story include Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, and Baal. Here is a brief introduction.

Tammuz was the Sumerian god of food and vegetation and dates from c. 2000 BCE. His death was celebrated every spring. One version of the story has him living in the underworld for six months each year, alternating with his sister.

Osirus was killed by his brother Set and cut into many pieces and scattered. His wife Isis gathered the pieces together, and he was reincarnated as the Egyptian god of the underworld and judge of the dead. He was worshipped well before 2000 BCE.

Dionysus (known as Bacchus in Roman mythology) was the Greek god of wine and dates to the 1200s BCE. The son of Zeus and a mortal woman, Dionysus was killed and then brought back to life.

Adonis (from 600 BCE) is a Greek god who was killed and then returned to life by Zeus.

Attis (from 1200 BCE) is a vegetation god from central Asia Minor, brought back to life by his lover Cybele.

In Canaanite religion, Baal (Baʿal) was part of a cycle of life and death. Baal and Mot are sons of the supreme god El (yes, one of the names of the Jewish god). When El favored the death god Mot over Baal, the heat of the summer took over and Baal died. He was resurrected when his sister-wife kills Mot.

All these gods:

came from regions that were close enough to the crossroads of Israel (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, and Asia Minor) for the ideas to have plausibly made it there,
were worshipped well before the time of Jesus, and
were of the dying-and-rising sort.

This is strong evidence that the gospel writers knew of (and could have been influenced by) resurrecting god stories from other cultures.

Jesus: Just One More Dying and Rising Savior | Bob Seidensticker

 

[Dayton3]

Most of the ideas of the New Testament are plagiarized from previous religions.

Prove it. That's like claiming NASA got the idea of sending men to the moon from H.G. Wells and other science fiction writers.

 

[Lisa]

Prove it. That's like claiming NASA got the idea of sending men to the moon from H.G. Wells and other science fiction writers.

What are the original ideas, if you believe that they are new?

 

[Dayton3]

What are the original ideas, if you believe that they are new?

You're asking me to prove something I never claimed. YOU claimed that the ideas in the New Testament were planarized from previous religious beliefs.

So you prove your claim

 

[Slartibartfast]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

To celebrate the fact that they are married.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

Sex has little to do with it since late 20th century.

It had more to do with an unobstructed, relaxed, period to acclimate To living as a 24-7 as a couple. What would be a more appropriate question would be: Why is it still a thing when many couples have already acclimated to living as a 24-7-365 partnered, sharing the same domicile, couple since so many of us lived together as such before we’ve married?

 

[Mr Person]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

Fun fact: just about all the married couples had sex lots of times before marriage, for history.

The church lies.




It is interesting to know that Mr. Nazi Avatar thinks that what people who aren't him do with their penises and vaginas matters . . .

Why do you call my religious rituals "bronze age"?

the Bronze Age is listed as being anywhere from 3,000 to 600 BC.

My beliefs are all New Testament based.

'cause that was when those rituals were cooked up. The new testament is supposed to be on top of the old, not a replacement.

The authors of the new testament stood on the shoulders of better liars. There probably was any number of Jesuses. And one of them probably was a nice Jewish man whose doctrine was "don't be such an ass to other people because, y'know, they're people." But he got what the Romans thought was a potential power-base. So they off'd him. 50-100 years later, some people decided to make up a religion about him. After all, that's when the first works started appearing.

Quite literally, your only reason for treating the book called "the bible" as truth is because a bunch of other people did before. That's a terrible reason to do anything. As some lemming skeletons.



It gets more perverse. The half-mythical, likely-half-real Jesus just wanted people to not be such dicks to each other. Yet the people who most loudly profess their love of him piss on his advice with the most eager compunction. Perverse, right?

Sex before marriage.... know who Jesus was shagging? In reality, that is.

 

[Dayton3]

Fun fact: just about all the married couples had sex lots of times before marriage, for history.
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Prove it. And my avatar has nothing to do with Nazi imagery. Unless you can show me a Nazi image that used an elephant.

 

[bongsaway]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

To have more sex before hitting the grindstone for the next forty five years,

 

[Mr Person]

I always thought the main purpose of a honeymoon was for a new married couple to spend time alone (hopefully) together and the main purpose being to consummate their marriage. I.E have sex for with each other for the first time.

But in the modern era, only 5% or so of married couples are virgins when they get married. So what is the point of a honeymoon anyway when the married couple may well have been having sex for months or even years beforehand anyway?

Fun fact: just about all the married couples had sex lots of times before marriage, for history.

The church lies.




It is interesting to know that Mr. Nazi Avatar thinks that what people who aren't him do with their penises and vaginas matters . . .

Why do you call my religious rituals "bronze age"?

the Bronze Age is listed as being anywhere from 3,000 to 600 BC.

My beliefs are all New Testament based.

'cause that was when those rituals were cooked up. The new testament is supposed to be on top of the old, not a replacement.

The authors of the new testament stood on the shoulders of better liars. There probably was any number of Jesuses. And one of them probably was a nice Jewish man whose doctrine was "don't be such an ass to other people because, y'know, they're people." But he got what the Romans thought was a potential power-base. So they off'd him. 50-100 years later, some people decided to make up a religion about him. After all, that's when the first works started appearing.

Quite literally, your only reason for treating the book called "the bible" as truth is because a bunch of other people did before. That's a terrible reason to do anything. As some lemming skeletons.



It gets more perverse. The half-mythical, likely-half-real Jesus just wanted people to not be such dicks to each other. Yet the people who most loudly profess their love of him piss on his advice with the most eager compunction. Perverse, right?

Sex before marriage.... know who Jesus was shagging? In reality, that is.

Prove it. And my avatar has nothing to do with Nazi imagery. Unless you can show me a Nazi image that used an elephant.

Again? Seriously?

I count...one difference.

:yawn:

But do tell me how awful it is for someone to get laid before marriage, while you celebrate people who were bent on exterminating all not exactly like them by birth. Tell me all about it, Mr. Religious. Tell me all about it, Mr. Love Thy Neighbor.

Oh wait, the head is pointed the other way in yours. Like...

 

[Dayton3]

Again? Seriously?

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I count...one difference.

:yawn:

You do know there is a difference between an "elephant" and a "swastika".

Don't be idiotic

 

[EnigmaO01]

What happens if you find you are not "sexually compatible" before you are married? Do you just dump someone you love then?

And if people don't know each other after having sex for months or even years then simply going on a honeymoon isn't going to make a difference.

Why are conservatives like you so fixated on other people's sex lives? Is that something that you think about often?

 

[bongsaway]

Again, my religion beliefs are based in the New Testament which wasn't written until more than half a millennia AFTER the Bronze Age ended Yet you continue to misrepresent it as such

It's still a myth put together after jesus was long dead. You continue to misrepresent it as the word of a god.

 

[Mr Person]

You do know there is a difference between an "elephant" and a "swastika".

Don't be idiotic

^^
FYI, he's playing out of the playbook published here with this tongue-in-cheek crap:
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This Is The Daily Stormer's Playbook | HuffPost





Take your Nazi swill elsewhere, Dayton3.

 

[Dayton3]

It's still a myth put together after jesus was long dead. You continue to misrepresent it as the word of a god.

I have no evidence it is not the word of God. And the New Testament has more evidence of its authenticity than any other older documents that are taken to be accurate.

 

[bongsaway]

Again? Seriously?

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I count...one difference.

:yawn:

But do tell me how awful it is for someone to get laid before marriage, while you celebrate people who were bent on exterminating all not exactly like them by birth. Tell me all about it, Mr. Religious. Tell me all about it, Mr. Love Thy Neighbor.

Oh wait, the head is pointed the other way in yours. Like...

I said the same thing to him months ago and of course I was imagining things. There were two versions of the nazi flag one with the eagle looking left and one to the right. I forgot the reason for the change.

 

[bongsaway]

I have no evidence it is not the word of God. And the New Testament has more evidence of its authenticity than any other older documents that are taken to be accurate.

Cool, believe what you wish.