It's all over with, but I believe that Russia would probably have defeated Germany without the USA's help.
In one way at least, it's good - no one wants to be the first to do it again, after seeing what happened the first time.Yeah, but it's already happened and you'll never put that toothpaste back in the tube.
Too many 'if's' to answer, imo.
Does this assume that Japan never attacks America? How would they continue their war with China if America cut off it's oil deliveries to Japan? Under this scenario, then I assume Japan ends the China war and makes peace with CHina - whilst occupying large portions of the country.
What I find interesting is what would happen in Europe? America might not enter the European war - they only declared war on Germany after Pearl harbor AFTER Germany declared war on America. That would leave Germany/Italy against the Soviet Union and Great Britain.
I still think the Axis would have been defeated. But it probably would have taken a lot longer and been a lot bloodier (if that was possible).
Now that I think about it - it's an interesting scenario.
FDR is considered one of the three great presidents this country has had by historians. I agree with them. I will give you my best guess coming from what I have read about him, I think FDR was an Anglophile and was determined to do all he could to keep England from falling to the Nazis. Besides he and Churchill had a real good friendship. I do not think it had anything to do with getting us out of the Great Depression or even manufacturing. Lend Lease pretty much determined we were not going to get paid. I think FDR realized Hitler could very well conquer Europe and pretty much of Asia if we didn't get ourselves involved. He did have great foresight.
Perhaps, one can't know for sure about these things. Russia had U.S. help and Germany had to worry about the western front as much as the eastern front and then there was Africa. Without Pearl, there would have been no landings in Northern Africa, at least when they happened. I do not think Germany would have had to keep as many troops on the Atlantic Wall if it was just worried about England without the U.S.. The bottom line is it is hard to tell. Even with Pearl being bombed, if Japan had went north and invaded Russia instead of going south, that would have prevented Stalin from moving masses of troops from east to west to take on the Germans.
Perhaps Stalin and the USSR could have eventually beat Hitler, but no one will really know. Pearl was bombed and what we have is a bunch of what if's.
Perhaps if Japan focused on controlling China, they would have been better off in the end...Without US involvement, its possible Churchill's government might have eventually fallen and peace was made in the west. Hitler was willing to grant fairly generous terms to the British, as he admired the British Empire. That would've aided Germany's push east, but I don't think it would've been nearly enough. The logistics in Russia don't favor an invading force and Hitler's no retreat policy almost guaranteed that when fortunes did turn, it would be disastrous for the Germans, ala Stalingrad.
Japan going into Russia, just wouldn't work. They're army was still tied down in China, no way they could summon the manpower for a major invasion of Russia without fatally undermining their ability to hold their gains in China.
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That was their intention, but the oil embargo was severely hampering their ability to wage war in China, so they hoped to strike the US hard and quick and force a peace that would get the oil flowing again. Japan incorrectly believe the US had no stomach for war and would back down if Japan scored enough early victories.
I wouldn't call FDR an Anglophile. I think early on he wanted to prop up England against the Nazis, not out of love for England but because he recognized what the Nazis were. Once we officially entered the war, FDR was pretty determined to use the war to break the English empire and create a new post imperialist world lead by the US. I think Churchill and FDR had a warm relationship, but Churchill let that relationship blind him to FDR's agenda. FDR never let the personal mix with the political.
The bombing of Pearl Harbor shocked us into a steel-like resolve. I believe that we still would have eventually gotten involved, and still won, but it would have taken longer as it would have taken longer to get everything... especially public opinion & support... cranked up.Μολὼν λαβέ;1063316370 said:The worst thing Japan could have done is bomb Pearl Harbor. It brought the US out of its depression and it ultimately ended Japan's and Hitler's quest for world domination.
If Pearl Harbor isn't bombed then the US war machine may have never gotten started in time to win WWII.
Also, who knows how long the depression may have lasted.
I do not know about Churchill letting the relationship blind him. From what I read FDR and Churchill had a few rows over the status of India after the war.
The bombing of Pearl Harbor shocked us into a steel-like resolve. I believe that we still would have eventually gotten involved, and still won, but it would have taken longer as it would have taken longer to get everything... especially public opinion & support... cranked up.
I had never really thought about that aspect before, but that is very interesting.Pearl Harbor-according to my late father who became a Naval Officer in 1944 and lost his older brother at Okinawa in 45 noted that the sneak attack sure made it easier for everyone he knew to support the horrific fire bombings of Tokyo and then the nuking of Japan. after Pearl Harbor, he noted, few Americans had any sympathy of what horror was visited on Japan, and when they learned of the fact that while only 1% of Americn POWs in Germany died, more than a third of our POWS held by Japan died in captivity, there was little if any remorse for what happened to Hiroshima etc
I had never really thought about that aspect before, but that is very interesting.
FDR died before the War ended.
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