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what women really think of Abortion

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A 2012 Gallup poll found women (44%) were more likely than men (38%) to call themselves "pro-choice" and that men (53%) were more likely than women (46%) to call themselves "pro-life." But Gallup found that from 2001-2008, 48% of men and 49% of women self-identified as "pro-choice." Between 2009 and 2012, 43% of men and 45% of women identified as "pro-choice."




Suprise, suprise. It's comparable to what men think.

Why have you made women afraid to speak out, progressive left? Why do you silence half the population on every subject?


Do Men and Women View Abortion Differently? | RealClearPolitics
 
So what is your point?
 
Why have you made women afraid to speak out, progressive left? Why do you silence half the population on every subject?

Nobody is silencing anyone. And I'm not convinced of your statistics, given that at the very least, some people who say they are pro life actually do not want to make abortion illegal.
 
For myself I'm pro-life but for everyone else I'm pro-choice, so I would not favor laws that criminalize abortion and punish pregnant women.

There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.
 
If you are arguing that most women are pro-life and are somehow being silenced by pro-choice that is not evident from the poll results.

So what if in 2012 "46% of women" polled were willing to call themselves Pro-Life while only 43% were willing to identify as Pro-Choice? That leaves another 11% undecided. So even if you are adding 5% of that undecided number to give you 51%, your statement remains false.

If this is not your position, what IS your point?
 
So what is your point?

This thread was started because she felt like people were thinking she was a man because of her position on abortion. There is really no other point behind this thread than that.
 
Nobody is silencing anyone. And I'm not convinced of your statistics, given that at the very least, some people who say they are pro life actually do not want to make abortion illegal.

Are there pro-choicers who want it to be illegal? I wouldn't be suprised. That way they can slaughter the mother too, in the illegal abortion surgery.

Yes, I can see a lo of pro-choicers wanting to remove all regulations.
 
A 2012 Gallup poll found women (44%) were more likely than men (38%) to call themselves "pro-choice" and that men (53%) were more likely than women (46%) to call themselves "pro-life." But Gallup found that from 2001-2008, 48% of men and 49% of women self-identified as "pro-choice." Between 2009 and 2012, 43% of men and 45% of women identified as "pro-choice."




Suprise, suprise. It's comparable to what men think.

Why have you made women afraid to speak out, progressive left? Why do you silence half the population on every subject?


Do Men and Women View Abortion Differently? | RealClearPolitics

I'm not sure "women" is a monolithic group that all thinks the same. But off the bat, I would say that religious people of both genders are prevented from thinking about the matter in any way other than anti-abortion, since most religions preach that life begins at conception. But religion is not part of our law. We have civil law, divorced from the various reglious beliefs of the people.

Not that it matters what the majority of people think. We the people do not vote on the rights of others. That is decided by the Constitution with its amendments, as interpreted by the S.Ct.

The right of privacy is FOR the ones whose rights might be invaded by others, even if those others are the majority of the people. Maybe even especially when the others are the majority.

I don't think abortion is the right thing to do in many cases, and I would advise that. But it's not my body, and i is not homicide. An embryo is not a person. And the embryo is living inside another person's body. So that person has the right to say what happens in and with her body. There are cases where abortion is the right thing to do because of the circumstances and the woman. So it's a good thing she has that option.

Some people would love to have us all back in the days when women's lives were ruined by unplanned pregnancies, when desperate women would get their insides scraped out in dirty buildings by coat hangers. Thank goodness we've progressed past the dark ages.

One-third of all pregnancies spontaneously abort in the first trimester. It is little more than some blood, like a late period. There are no caskets, no headstones, no funeral. That's because most people recognize the difference between the first trimester embryo and a "person." That doesn't mean that people aren't sad because the embryo didn't develop to personhood. But that doesn't mean it was a person.
 
This thread was started because she felt like people were thinking she was a man because of her position on abortion. There is really no other point behind this thread than that.

And because abortion is murder.
 
If you are arguing that most women are pro-life and are somehow being silenced by pro-choice that is not evident from the poll results.

So what if in 2012 "46% of women" polled were willing to call themselves Pro-Life while only 43% were willing to identify as Pro-Choice? That leaves another 11% undecided. So even if you are adding 5% of that undecided number to give you 51%, your statement remains false.

If this is not your position, what IS your point?

My point is these polls are anonymous. And most women are afraid to voice their pro-life opinion. Just as most people are afraid to say something about race.
 
My point is these polls are anonymous. And most women are afraid to voice their pro-life opinion. Just as most people are afraid to say something about race.

No offense, but your position is not supported by the poll results. Where is your data showing that pro-life women are less likely to speak up?
 
My point is these polls are anonymous. And most women are afraid to voice their pro-life opinion. Just as most people are afraid to say something about race.

I just love how the religious right thinks about things. When they don't like the results, they attack the "truthiness" of the survey or its participants. That's just the silliest thing I ever heard: that women are afraid to voice pro-life opinions. Ludicrous. Religious women hang their hats on being able to prove how pure of thought and religious they are.
 
I just love how the religious right thinks about things. When they don't like the results, they attack the "truthiness" of the survey or its participants. That's just the silliest thing I ever heard: that women are afraid to voice pro-life opinions. Ludicrous. Religious women hang their hats on being able to prove how pure of thought and religious they are.

You just like killing and you are ashamed so you disparage the moral compass of those who have one.
 
No offense, but your position is not supported by the poll results. Where is your data showing that pro-life women are less likely to speak up?

An Abortion thread near you :thumbs:
 
You just want them to die on the off chance they grow up to be gay.
I prefer they die before being born and then grow up to become criminals.
 
You just like killing and you are ashamed so you disparage the moral compass of those who have one.


Ahhhh...there it is. You object to abortion for moral reasons. Morals are not part of our civil law in our country. Morals can't be legislated, since that is not the purpose of the law, and different people have different morals.

Trying to force your morals on others is what extremists do. Example: Islamists who commit terrorist acts. They kill women who won't cover their bodies and heads and sometimes faces with cloth. They kill men who drink alcohol and live immoral lives, according to their view. They kill those who commit the blasthemous act of showing a drawing of their god.

As long as no one forces you to have an abortion, it is not within your right to say whether someone else has the right to have an abortion, since in this country, an embryo is not a person. One third of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted. Many women don't even realize what occurred. They think it's a late period. There are no funerals for the blotch of blood, no headstones. That's because people recognize the difference between an embryo and a person.

It is a good thing that you have the right in our country to have privacy for your own body, so no one can force you to have an abortion of an embryo. And so no one can force another person not to.
 
Ahhhh...there it is. You object to abortion for moral reasons. Morals are not part of our civil law in our country. Morals can't be legislated, since that is not the purpose of the law, and different people have different morals.

Trying to force your morals on others is what extremists do. Example: Islamists who commit terrorist acts. They kill women who won't cover their bodies and heads and sometimes faces with cloth. They kill men who drink alcohol and live immoral lives, according to their view. They kill those who commit the blasthemous act of showing a drawing of their god.

As long as no one forces you to have an abortion, it is not within your right to say whether someone else has the right to have an abortion, since in this country, an embryo is not a person. One third of all pregnancies are spontaneously aborted. Many women don't even realize what occurred. They think it's a late period. There are no funerals for the blotch of blood, no headstones. That's because people recognize the difference between an embryo and a person.

It is a good thing that you have the right in our country to have privacy for your own body, so no one can force you to have an abortion of an embryo. And so no one can force another person not to.

I don't force my morals on anyone. You know what happens if someone gets pregnant and no one says,"hey did you know you have the choice of not being pregnant and it's not murder"?

The baby lives and the mother has a beautiful child.

I don't HAVE to force my morals on anyone else for the kindest outcome to occur. You do have to for the most destructive outcome to occur. You are the interferer, not me.

The question is, why do you go around passionately advocating the possibility of killing one's own baby? What's your agenda?

I don't have an agenda. I just call Bull****.
 
A 2012 Gallup poll found women (44%) were more likely than men (38%) to call themselves "pro-choice" and that men (53%) were more likely than women (46%) to call themselves "pro-life." But Gallup found that from 2001-2008, 48% of men and 49% of women self-identified as "pro-choice." Between 2009 and 2012, 43% of men and 45% of women identified as "pro-choice."




Suprise, suprise. It's comparable to what men think.

Why have you made women afraid to speak out, progressive left? Why do you silence half the population on every subject?


Do Men and Women View Abortion Differently? | RealClearPolitics
*bolding mine

You're dreaming, if you think you've just a proven cause-effect relationship.

And because abortion is murder.
Wrong, again (though I understand & empathize with the moral argument) - Murder is illegal.

You just like killing and you are ashamed so you disparage the moral compass of those who have one.
As earlier pointed-out by another poster, 'morals' are not legislated in this country - we're funny that way, but we attempt to respect each other & each-other's freedom and choices. Obviously, as hard as we all try to live the American ideal, a few fail and subsequently threads like this arise.

You just want them to die on the off chance they grow up to be gay.
You really are trolling, aren't you? Comon', admit it - we're all friends here!
 
I don't force my morals on anyone. You know what happens if someone gets pregnant and no one says,"hey did you know you have the choice of not being pregnant and it's not murder"?

The baby lives and the mother has a beautiful child.

I don't HAVE to force my morals on anyone else for the kindest outcome to occur. You do have to for the most destructive outcome to occur. You are the interferer, not me.

The question is, why do you go around passionately advocating the possibility of killing one's own baby? What's your agenda?

I don't have an agenda. I just call Bull****.

It's none of your business, if it's not your body. You are making a moral judgment on OTHERS' behavior. If you think you get to decide what others do, then I get to decide what happens to your body, based on MY moral judgment.
 
I was joking with that comment to calamity about gays.
 
What women really want is freedom to choose what to do with their own uterus and what grows in it, and that choice can be either to abort or not to abort.
 
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