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So why – in what was clearly a Republican year – did Hoffman lose? Well, there are several reasons and, yes, the Democratic victory was narrow, thinner than the five or so percent that went to withdrawn Republican nominee Scozzafava who herself endorsed the Democratic candidate. Still, the 23rd is a safely Republican, even conservative, district. In a year where the GOP racked up a 20% margin in Virginia and coasted easily in Jersey, a state in which Obama romped in ‘08 by 16%, what was the problem?
Well… I might as well say it… social conservatism. America is a fiscally conservative country – now perhaps more than ever, and with much justification – but not a socially conservative one. No, I don’t mean to say it’s socially liberal. It’s not. It’s socially laissez-faire (just as its mostly fiscally laissez-faire). Whether we’re pro-choice, pro-life or whatever we are, most of us want the government out of our bedrooms, just as we want it out of our wallets.
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Roger L. Simon Election 2009: The Strange Case of NY23
I think Roger Simon of Pajamas Media is saying lose the religious right, and the lesson is Republicans will win.
1. The voters of Virginia declared a preference for Bob McDonnell over Creigh Deeds.
2. The voters of New Jersey declared a preference for Chris Christie over Jon Corzine.
3. The voters of New York's Twenty-Third Congressional District declared a preference for Bill Owens over Doug Hoffman.
Corzine got his ass whupped hugely, and by extension the Messiah, who went to NJ six times to help. A 20 point swing in the polls, now solidly against the Messiah in NJ.
An inexperienced no-name conservative third party candidate almost won that election, against the full political might of the corrupt DNC and without support from the corrupt RNC.
Virginia is free at last, free at last, free at last. A 25 point swing in the polls, now solidly against the Messiah in NJ.
Practically every "independent" voter is anti-Messiah now. That's amazingly good.
And conservatives once again witnessed the treachery of the RINO in NY23.
If the Tea Party folks can make the RINO extinct, they'll have done a true patriotic service for America.
Overall, an excellent outcome.
The disaster the Democrats saw in 2009 was much worse than their debacle in 1993, which presaged the turnover of the House in 1994 under their Rapist President.
That's one spin on it.
Another is that NY-23 proved that the Republican party is in serious trouble if they try to move further to the right and run more conservative candidates.
I think Roger Simon of Pajamas Media is saying lose the religious right, and the lesson is Republicans will win.
Well, the religious right has to vote for someone, so I don't see why the Republicans should be actively discouraging them to vote for their party unless they want to shoot themselves in the foot.
Plus, McDonnell was basically a member of the "religious right" (whatever that even means) and won by 17% in a state that Obama carried, so...yeah.
I think Roger Simon of Pajamas Media is saying lose the religious right, and the lesson is Republicans will win.
That article hits the point right on the nose for me. I believe a social live-and-let-live policy from Republicans will pull in a ton of independent and Democratic votes. The biggest complaint young people have with the Republican party right now is it's stance against gay marriage and abortion.
Yeah, but until young people prove themselves as a vital demographic that will consistently vote, what real ambition does a party really have for capturing that audience?
Getting them registered. People that consider themselves Dems/Repubs at 18 or 19 will most likely consider themselves the same thing at 30 when they actually think it's important to vote.
Also, where are you in ND? I used to live in Fargo.
It's the changing views of society. Right now it doesn't seem worth it, but as new and younger conservatives join the party and run for office they will see the way the wind is blowing and make the changes necessary to get elected. I don't see social conservatives having very much power at all within the party during the, lets say, 2020 elections.Yes, but that social demographic does not pull itself out in large enough numbers to justify changing a giant portion of the platform. Those social issues are huge draws to the large portion of the voting Republicans.
I go to school in Grand Forks, but lived in Bismarck for most of my life.
Yes, McDonnell is a social conservative, but he did not campaign on those issues, in fact, he sought to downplay them and run on Bob's for Jobs, or something like that.
Maybe so, but that still means that the Republicans can win without having to "lose" the "religious right", but rather, just focus less on religious/social issues (and depending on the state, they might not even have to do that). They can do this while still maintaining religious social conservative voters and candidates.
As much as I would like to agree....I don't think the Republicans can win without the evangelical/right-wing vote.
To win...the GOP has to find a way to bring them into their fold while not alienating the moderates and independents. Its not an easy job for the GOP.
It's the changing views of society. Right now it doesn't seem worth it, but as new and younger conservatives join the party and run for office they will see the way the wind is blowing and make the changes necessary to get elected. I don't see social conservatives having very much power at all within the party during the, lets say, 2020 elections.
Nice. I have a lot of friends up there.
Yes, they can win, they just need to return to their actual conservative roots, boot the religious right to the curb and be an actual political party instead of a mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians. There are far, far more people who would vote for an actually conservative GOP than they'd ever lose by telling the fundamentalists what to go do with themselves. After all, what other choice does the religious right have?
Maybe so, but that still means that the Republicans can win without having to "lose" the "religious right", but rather, just focus less on religious/social issues (and depending on the state, they might not even have to do that). They can do this while still maintaining religious social conservative voters and candidates.
Yes, they can win, they just need to return to their actual conservative roots, boot the religious right to the curb and be an actual political party instead of a mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians. There are far, far more people who would vote for an actually conservative GOP than they'd ever lose by telling the fundamentalists what to go do with themselves. After all, what other choice does the religious right have?
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