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earthworm said:So now I am one of three who will not suffer being labeled.
"neither a liberal nor conservative be".
Some may call me an opinionated feces-passage-orifice..
Trajan Octavian Titus said:you do realize that this was one of the options listed right? I think though that liberals are quickly becoming an extinct species so the question isn't whether or not you are conservative or a liberal but rather just how conservative are you?
Kandahar said:Correction. SOCIALISTS are (hopefully) quickly becoming an extinct species. REAL liberals - of the Mark Twain, Tom Paine, Thomas Jefferson variety - are still doing quite well. Although I suppose we're considered right-of-center by current standards.
Well, socialists won't disappear under capitalism, as ideologies are determined by how the society is run.SOCIALISTS are (hopefully) quickly becoming an extinct species
Huh?the people who are widely considered liberals today are of the Marxist-socialist persuasion
Comrade Brian said:Since apparantly socialism is talked about here, I shall answer
Well, socialists won't disappear under capitalism, as ideologies are determined by how the society is run.
Huh?
Decleration of Independence said:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Comrade Brian said:Since apparantly socialism is talked about here, I shall answer
Well, socialists won't disappear under capitalism, as ideologies are determined by how the society is run.
Comrade Brian said:Huh?
Kandahar said:That doesn't mean that every aspect of governance is always a subject of heated debate. This is a democracy too, but there aren't many people arguing for a dictatorship. Similarly, just because this is primarily a capitalist country doesn't mean that socialism will always be a dominant, competing ideology.
Right now the socialist wings of both the Democrat and Republican parties are in charge, and it's not a pretty sight. There's no reason that either party has to be beholden to socialists; they may differ in their opinions of how government should be reduced in size, but I think most rank-and-file Democrats and Republicans alike believe that the government is simply too big.
Hopefully socialism's influence will start to wane after the Democrats restore some balance of power to government in 2006, and there's an actual debate on some of the issues (although perhaps this is wishful thinking).
Trajan is correct. When I think of "liberal," I generally think of open-minded, tolerant people who are interested in societal progress through the most pragmatic means possible, and in protecting their own freedom and the freedom of others. Unfortunately, most people who call themselves "liberals" today are interested in selfishly making themselves feel like they've helped someone through reactionary, economically harmful policies.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I was with you up until the part about the Democrats coming to power, they're part of the problem atleast the neo-cons hold in their hearts some semblance of conservatism.
Kandahar said:At least if the Democrats have some power, there will be more gridlock. The Republicans are never going to return to conservatism as long as they hold all the cards; power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If that would help to push the Republicans back toward small government, the Democrats would likely follow suit. There are definitely some libertarian elements in the Democratic Party that simply have not been given a chance to shine, because they don't want to be perceived as being to the right of the socialists in the GOP.
I miss the days when we had a progressive liberal party and a progressive conservative party, instead of a labor-whoring socialist party and a corporate-whoring socialist party.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Libertarians aren't 'conservatives'.
In fact, 'conservatives' can't define themselves, as the author of this poll demonstrates.
I share some ideas with self-styled conservatives. Unlike them, I know why I hold my ideas.
I share some ideas with self-styled liberals/socialists/commies. Unlike them, I understand the limits of reality.
I'm a libertarian. Period.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I think you're wrong I don't think the increase in the Federal Government is an effect of power corrupting I think it is the effect of the cause of 9-11 and a very real threat to the nation that must be defeated to defend the constitution, have you read O.B.L.'s fatwa, he wants the total destruction of the U.S and the entire Western world for that matter and to replace our Democracy with an Islamic-Theocracy, we need a strong Federal Government in order to ensure victory and securtity against a threat that is both foriegn and domestic. And I feel that once that threat has been eliminated that the true right will revert the government back to the roll it is supposed to play according to the intent of the Founding Fathers,
Trajan Octavian Titus said:if the Democrats come to power this will not happen it will be Trumans 'great society,' all over again.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:I think you got some **** backwards the Libertarians are so conservative that they're reactionary to the liberal tendencies of the Neo-Cons and modern Republicans with a big R not a small r.
Kandahar said:Libertarians are conservative in some ways. But reactionary? Hardly...the socialists are the reactionaries, as they want to stick to outdated ideas that have been proven to not work. Libertarians are very progressive.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Reactionary: Sitting on the far right of the ideological spectrum, reactionaries want to go back to the way things were-the "good ol' days."
In the case of the United States the Libertarians are most definately reactionary in that they want to revert back to the time before big government and socialism reered their ugly heads.
Kandahar said:Meh, I agree that reactionaries want a return to the "gool ol' days." But far right? Not necessarily. The socialists - who fight tooth-and-nail to protect their crumbling entitlement programs despite overwhelming evidence that they don't work - are VERY reactionary, even though they aren't conservative. In contrast most libertarians are less interested in returning to 19th century America, than in finding new solutions to getting the government out of our lives. The Free State Project, for example. Pretty progressive if you ask me.
Ah well, it's all semantics.
Oh yes. A flimsy piece of decomposing paper really showed me wrong. lol. There's a written form of the US and then there's a reality form, sorta like Stalin, the USSR Constitution was probably the most one of the time that excersised freedom, his govt. however was the opposite.Marx was a second rate moron!
That's debatable...This is a democracy too
I'll agree, but in my view it may be different, but I would say that now we are living in an indirect dictatorship, socialism too might be described as indirect, but still different than capitalismbut there aren't many people arguing for a dictatorship
There are always alternative ways to run a society, so there will always be another, some still are wanting Fuedalism, and have sometimes achieved success in dominating.Similarly, just because this is primarily a capitalist country doesn't mean that socialism will always be a dominant, competing ideology.
Now where is the Center for Pro-Mcarthyism? This is an important piece of evidence.Right now the socialist wings of both the Democrat and Republican parties are in charge
I doubt it. Democrats are as pathetic as Republicans. Neither try to go to the roots of society and change them. Republicans would say to a poor person "Get lost you lazy pathetic whimp, go get a job" a democrat would give them enough pain-relievers to last a day, and then say get lost.Hopefully socialism's influence will start to wane after the Democrats restore some balance of power to government in 2006
Reactionary policies are the worst thing that comes to mind.reactionary economic policies that harm the very people they're trying to help
Comrade Brian said:Oh yes. A flimsy piece of decomposing paper really showed me wrong. lol. There's a written form of the US and then there's a reality form, sorta like Stalin, the USSR Constitution was probably the most one of the time that excersised freedom, his govt. however was the opposite.
That's debatable...
I'll agree, but in my view it may be different, but I would say that now we are living in an indirect dictatorship, socialism too might be described as indirect, but still different than capitalism
There are always alternative ways to run a society, so there will always be another, some still are wanting Fuedalism, and have sometimes achieved success in dominating.
Now where is the Center for Pro-Mcarthyism? This is an important piece of evidence.
I doubt it. Democrats are as pathetic as Republicans. Neither try to go to the roots of society and change them. Republicans would say to a poor person "Get lost you lazy pathetic whimp, go get a job" a democrat would give them enough pain-relievers to last a day, and then say get lost.
Reactionary policies are the worst thing that comes to mind.
Trajan, I did respond to post#8, the rest of it, but when doing it, it appears I logged off somehow and lost it all. It was quite lengthy though and would have made you laugh then concede.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Really, that's just like a socialist to claim that an imaginary invisible theory will make me concede my point.
Comrade Brian said:No, really, when I clicked to post, I got a message saying that I hadn't logged on, and then I lost it all, and haven't felt like writing another one because the other was so lengthy.
Comrade Brian said:I won't
1. Its way too long, and I might get in trouble by the mods. for it.
2. The Communist Manifesto is way overrated. It just basically is an outline for Marxism, we don't defend every single copy to the death. Nor does the document really go further into things, its just a general overview.
You're assuming I have a leader, I'm an Independant Marxist.
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