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Trump has started to say that we do not need a vaccine as the virus will go away once we achieve herd immunity. I know he mangled it, but he was talking about herd immunity. So what is the cost of having herd immunity as our national policy to handle the covid crisis if we do not soon have a vaccine. Well, scientists say we need 70% of the population to have gotten the virus and survived to reach the stage where herd immunity will take place. OUr present population is about 330,000,000 and the present death rate is 2.97%. SO to achieve herd immunity we would need for 231,000,000 of our people to get the covid and survive and achieve high enough level of antibodies to be immune. Some people have been reinfected dude to low level of antibodies. So if 2.97% of the 231 million die from the virus, it means wwe will lose 6,860,700 fro the virus while waiting for herd immunity to take place. Let us say through medical treatments we lower the number of deaths to half of the present death rate it will mean 3,465,600 will die to reach immunity. If the death rate drops to 1% then 2,310,000 will die to reach immunity. One problem not taken into account by my figures is that if like flu, the immunity drops off after a period of time, with flu vaccine it is less than a year, then some of those who have caught the virus and lived dearly in this pandemic may catch it again in the next year and the cycle may start all over again. SO you people that are with trump on the herd immunity idea may want to look at the cost in lives and if it will actually work in the long or short run.
Perhaps. But we can't stay on lock-down forever...
...It all might have to come down to "herd immunity."
At some point, risk or no risk, we need to get back to as normal as we can achieve under the circumstances.
I'm glad you posted this thread.
I saw this video earlier today but did not want to open a thread with it.
Perhaps it will show the value and success of "herd immunity" practices.
As far back as March 2020:
However, that does not mean we should stop seeking a vaccine, just not pin all our hopes on it's efficacy.
I'm glad you posted this thread.
I saw this video earlier today but did not want to open a thread with it.
Perhaps it will show the value and success of "herd immunity" practices.
As far back as March 2020:
However, that does not mean we should stop seeking a vaccine, just not pin all our hopes on it's efficacy.
Trump has started to say that we do not need a vaccine as the virus will go away once we achieve herd immunity. I know he mangled it, but he was talking about herd immunity. So what is the cost of having herd immunity as our national policy to handle the covid crisis if we do not soon have a vaccine. Well, scientists say we need 70% of the population to have gotten the virus and survived to reach the stage where herd immunity will take place. OUr present population is about 330,000,000 and the present death rate is 2.97%. SO to achieve herd immunity we would need for 231,000,000 of our people to get the covid and survive and achieve high enough level of antibodies to be immune. Some people have been reinfected dude to low level of antibodies. So if 2.97% of the 231 million die from the virus, it means wwe will lose 6,860,700 fro the virus while waiting for herd immunity to take place. Let us say through medical treatments we lower the number of deaths to half of the present death rate it will mean 3,465,600 will die to reach immunity. If the death rate drops to 1% then 2,310,000 will die to reach immunity. One problem not taken into account by my figures is that if like flu, the immunity drops off after a period of time, with flu vaccine it is less than a year, then some of those who have caught the virus and lived dearly in this pandemic may catch it again in the next year and the cycle may start all over again. SO you people that are with trump on the herd immunity idea may want to look at the cost in lives and if it will actually work in the long or short run.
First, this is of course a right wing article and thus hard to believe anything they print or say. And secondly, it does not say anything I have written in my OP is wrong and that will take between 2 and almost 7 million American lives to achieve this immunity and that is if the immunity last more than a year. IF it only last 6-9 months as the flu vaccine does, we will go through the cycle again and again. The only way to slow this virus is to wear masks and socially distance and do that until a vaccine is available. And this is not like the flu, everything I have read is that it takes two doses of the vaccines and they have to be taken weeks apart for people to gain the amount of antibodies needed to stop the virus.
Two to Seven million lives? On what basis?
We already KNOW who is most at risk. The death and recovery numbers show it.
Moreover, those at most risk are those who are ALREADY at risk of death from any number of pre-existing co-morbidities provided in annual death statistics.
You can dismiss the facts presented in the video because you don't like the alleged "lean" of the provider, but that doesn't mean the information is wrong. :naughty
IMO herd immunity, combined with a vaccine program will deal with this without much more ado.
I don't know this for sure, but the information available seem to support this IMHO.
If you disagree with the data, provide counter-data to refute it.
Trump has started to say that we do not need a vaccine as the virus will go away once we achieve herd immunity. I know he mangled it, but he was talking about herd immunity. So what is the cost of having herd immunity as our national policy to handle the covid crisis if we do not soon have a vaccine. Well, scientists say we need 70% of the population to have gotten the virus and survived to reach the stage where herd immunity will take place. OUr present population is about 330,000,000 and the present death rate is 2.97%. SO to achieve herd immunity we would need for 231,000,000 of our people to get the covid and survive and achieve high enough level of antibodies to be immune. Some people have been reinfected dude to low level of antibodies. So if 2.97% of the 231 million die from the virus, it means wwe will lose 6,860,700 fro the virus while waiting for herd immunity to take place. Let us say through medical treatments we lower the number of deaths to half of the present death rate it will mean 3,465,600 will die to reach immunity. If the death rate drops to 1% then 2,310,000 will die to reach immunity. One problem not taken into account by my figures is that if like flu, the immunity drops off after a period of time, with flu vaccine it is less than a year, then some of those who have caught the virus and lived dearly in this pandemic may catch it again in the next year and the cycle may start all over again. SO you people that are with trump on the herd immunity idea may want to look at the cost in lives and if it will actually work in the long or short run.
Trump has started to say that we do not need a vaccine as the virus will go away once we achieve herd immunity. I know he mangled it, but he was talking about herd immunity. So what is the cost of having herd immunity as our national policy to handle the covid crisis if we do not soon have a vaccine. Well, scientists say we need 70% of the population to have gotten the virus and survived to reach the stage where herd immunity will take place. OUr present population is about 330,000,000 and the present death rate is 2.97%. SO to achieve herd immunity we would need for 231,000,000 of our people to get the covid and survive and achieve high enough level of antibodies to be immune. Some people have been reinfected dude to low level of antibodies. So if 2.97% of the 231 million die from the virus, it means wwe will lose 6,860,700 fro the virus while waiting for herd immunity to take place. Let us say through medical treatments we lower the number of deaths to half of the present death rate it will mean 3,465,600 will die to reach immunity. If the death rate drops to 1% then 2,310,000 will die to reach immunity. One problem not taken into account by my figures is that if like flu, the immunity drops off after a period of time, with flu vaccine it is less than a year, then some of those who have caught the virus and lived dearly in this pandemic may catch it again in the next year and the cycle may start all over again. SO you people that are with trump on the herd immunity idea may want to look at the cost in lives and if it will actually work in the long or short run.
Did you actually read my OP above. It explains where I got my 2-7 million deaths. Of course Trumpsters do not believe in facts or science, so anything written that does not go along exactly with what Trump says they will not believe....Instead we have a bunch of stupids running around yelling about their freedoms and causing others to catch and die from the virus.
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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