I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? If there is, why aren’t the politicians on either side talking about those details – surely Trump and the proponents would want to sell what they’re going to achieve and the opponents would want to challenge specific flaws and issues. If there isn’t, where did the specific amount come from?
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? It seems like progress is being made on some kind specific plan yet at the same time the politicians talk about whether they want a (concrete) wall or a steel barrier? Shouldn’t the policy be to investigate which of those options are best?
I’ve also not heard anyone talk about exactly where a new wall would go, only in generic terms about it being the full length of the border or not. I know there are existing barriers at various points along the border and I’ve also not seen anything about whether the plan is to replace these with something different and/or to add to the length covered.
Please note that I’m not really interesting in opinion here, I’m wondering if there are any factual details and plans in existence that simply aren’t being talked about or if this is really as haphazard and on-the-fly as it appears.
I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? If there is, why aren’t the politicians on either side talking about those details – surely Trump and the proponents would want to sell what they’re going to achieve and the opponents would want to challenge specific flaws and issues. If there isn’t, where did the specific amount come from?
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? It seems like progress is being made on some kind specific plan yet at the same time the politicians talk about whether they want a (concrete) wall or a steel barrier? Shouldn’t the policy be to investigate which of those options are best?
I’ve also not heard anyone talk about exactly where a new wall would go, only in generic terms about it being the full length of the border or not. I know there are existing barriers at various points along the border and I’ve also not seen anything about whether the plan is to replace these with something different and/or to add to the length covered.
Please note that I’m not really interesting in opinion here, I’m wondering if there are any factual details and plans in existence that simply aren’t being talked about or if this is really as haphazard and on-the-fly as it appears.
A fiscal 2019 spending measure was introduced in the House on Wednesday that provides $5 billion for a southern border wall and additional funding for border security that aims to achieve “100 percent scanning” of the border within five years.
The Homeland Security appropriations subcommittee measure would fund more than 200 miles of “new physical barrier construction” along the U.S.-Mexico border.
The legislation also includes $223 million to add 375 additional border patrol agents above the Trump administration request, including 140 canine teams, that, according to the House Appropriations Committee, will “initiate a five-year strategy toward achieving 100 percent scanning on the southern border.”
The measure increases the budget for Immigration and Customs Enforcement by $328 million over fiscal 2018. Of that new funding, $78 million is allotted for the hiring of 400 additional ICE agents and support staff.
The legislation calls for spending $4.1 billion on detention and removal programs for illegal immigrants who cross the southern border. The funding would pay for 44,000 detention beds, an increase of 3,480 beds.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-for-wall-adds-ice-and-border-patrol-agents
Great...now Trump can wait for the normal Appropriations process to work its way on the proposal ....or wait....isn't he just trying to bootstrap the whole thing to a CR using the lever of the Gov shutdown to force feed it? This isn't a proposal made by Admin officials formally to the Congress as far as I know. It has simply seen the light of day in the "negotiations" between the WH and Hill Leadership which is all about ending the Shutdown.
Don't know what you're going on about. The OP asked a question, I tried to answer without opinion as requested. Period. Plenty of other threads around for what you're looking for.
Great...now Trump can wait for the normal Appropriations process to work its way on the proposal ....or wait....isn't he just trying to bootstrap the whole thing to a CR using the lever of the Gov shutdown to force feed it? This isn't a proposal made by Admin officials formally to the Congress as far as I know. It has simply seen the light of day in the "negotiations" between the WH and Hill Leadership which is all about ending the Shutdown.
The point is, the House passed a measure that included $5 billion that the president requested and Schumer has filibustered it. The way our government and simple logic works is that it is Schumer and the democrats who are responsible for the government being closed. But lets be honest, you dont really give a **** about the government employees. You care only about defeating Trump at any cost. I wish you guys would just be honest and admit that so we could have an honest discussion but expecting honesty from you guys is a silly ask at this point.
When you get to b a forum censor just let us all know.
For the record, the OP's question was about the $5.7B. You appear to be trying to cloak the entire pile of crap that the WH tossed on the table in these bogus negotiations in some sort of legitimacy which it does not have unless the Administration proposes it to the Congress through the normal Appropriations process.
Whatever. Read the link, it's what was introduced to the House back in July. Not the current negotiations Einstein.
When you get to b a forum censor just let us all know.
For the record, the OP's question was about the $5.7B. You appear to be trying to cloak the entire pile of crap that the WH tossed on the table in these bogus negotiations in some sort of legitimacy which it does not have unless the Administration proposes it to the Congress through the normal Appropriations process.
The “standard” appropriations process, as laid out in the 1974 Congressional Budget Act, goes like this: After the president submits his budget proposal, the House and Senate adopt their own budget resolution. While it doesn’t have the force of law, the budget resolution sets out the overall spending framework for the coming fiscal year and serves to guide lawmakers as they address specific tax and spending decisions.
But agreeing on a budget resolution has itself often proven problematic. Although the Congressional Budget Act establishes April 15 as the target date, Congress frequently misses that deadline (this year, for example, the resolution wasn’t agreed to till Oct. 26) – or, as in six of the seven most recent fiscal years, never adopts a formal budget resolution at all.
Next, Congress is supposed to pass a series of separate bills funding various agencies and activities of the federal government. (For the past decade, the number of spending bills has stood at 12, one for each subcommittee of the House and Senate appropriations committees.) The deadline for doing that is Oct. 1, when the new fiscal year starts. But since 1997, Congress has never passed more than a third of its regular appropriations bills on time, and usually has done considerably less than that: For instance, for six straight years (fiscal 2011 through 2016), not a single spending bill was passed by Oct. 1.
That is ancient history. 115th Congress is dead. Welcome to the 116th.
I wish Donald would own up to never intending to build a Wall.
I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? If there is, why aren’t the politicians on either side talking about those details – surely Trump and the proponents would want to sell what they’re going to achieve and the opponents would want to challenge specific flaws and issues. If there isn’t, where did the specific amount come from?
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? It seems like progress is being made on some kind specific plan yet at the same time the politicians talk about whether they want a (concrete) wall or a steel barrier? Shouldn’t the policy be to investigate which of those options are best?
I’ve also not heard anyone talk about exactly where a new wall would go, only in generic terms about it being the full length of the border or not. I know there are existing barriers at various points along the border and I’ve also not seen anything about whether the plan is to replace these with something different and/or to add to the length covered.
Please note that I’m not really interesting in opinion here, I’m wondering if there are any factual details and plans in existence that simply aren’t being talked about or if this is really as haphazard and on-the-fly as it appears.
As goes wall money:I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? ...
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? ...
You’re pretty much up to speed. Generalities and platitudes, short on specifics. I believe the “wall” has become more of a political symbol than anything else. Some think Trump cares less for a wall and just wants to fight.
This is more a source of opinion than a source of information. I also like to go to primary sources (or at very least a cross-section of reliable reports) but I struggled to search them out on this topic, in part because of the especially thick layer of partisan politics over it and a lack of experience searching things in this from US sources.Off-Topic:
Out of curiosity:
- Is DP from where you obtain information about the "ins and outs" of current events and public policy?
- Do you not read original content (on matters about which you give a damn)? With one exception, all the linked-to content above is original content from the gov't, which is what I often read because I don't care for, fully trust, nor need distilled opinions/analysis in order to form my own.
This is more a source of opinion than a source of information. I also like to go to primary sources (or at very least a cross-section of reliable reports) but I struggled to search them out on this topic, in part because of the especially thick layer of partisan politics over it and a lack of experience searching things in this from US sources.
I do confess to a slight ulterior motive in posting beyond my honest interest in the answers to my questions of inspiring others to think about those questions given that nobody seemed to be asking them. Either supporters of the wall would benefit from supplying detailed answers or objectors of the wall would benefit from demonstrating the lack of detailed answers.
Off topic and getting in to the partisan politics I specific asked to avoid. I'm afraid you'll have to live with your unsatisfied curiosity.Off-Topic:...
Red:Off topic and getting in to the partisan politics I specific asked to avoid. I'm afraid you'll have to live with your unsatisfied curiosity.
I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? If there is, why aren’t the politicians on either side talking about those details – surely Trump and the proponents would want to sell what they’re going to achieve and the opponents would want to challenge specific flaws and issues. If there isn’t, where did the specific amount come from?
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? It seems like progress is being made on some kind specific plan yet at the same time the politicians talk about whether they want a (concrete) wall or a steel barrier? Shouldn’t the policy be to investigate which of those options are best?
I’ve also not heard anyone talk about exactly where a new wall would go, only in generic terms about it being the full length of the border or not. I know there are existing barriers at various points along the border and I’ve also not seen anything about whether the plan is to replace these with something different and/or to add to the length covered.
Please note that I’m not really interesting in opinion here, I’m wondering if there are any factual details and plans in existence that simply aren’t being talked about or if this is really as haphazard and on-the-fly as it appears.
I’ve not dived in much to the whole border wall fiasco recently because all the discussions quickly descend in to the political hate-fest I’ve no interest in. This doesn’t mean that’s change and I’ve no interest in the blame game between Republicans and Democrats here – I hold you all in equal contempt.I can’t shake the curiosity about what is actually going on there though and I don’t know whether the details just aren’t being reported internationally or Americans are equally in the dark.
Basically, what exactly is the oft-quoted $5.7 billion for? Is there an actual detailed proposal or plan detailing exactly what it’d be spent on? If there is, why aren’t the politicians on either side talking about those details – surely Trump and the proponents would want to sell what they’re going to achieve and the opponents would want to challenge specific flaws and issues. If there isn’t, where did the specific amount come from?
On a related note, what’s the deal with those test sections that were being built last year and the testing of different types of wall being reported about briefly? It seems like progress is being made on some kind specific plan yet at the same time the politicians talk about whether they want a (concrete) wall or a steel barrier? Shouldn’t the policy be to investigate which of those options are best?
I’ve also not heard anyone talk about exactly where a new wall would go, only in generic terms about it being the full length of the border or not. I know there are existing barriers at various points along the border and I’ve also not seen anything about whether the plan is to replace these with something different and/or to add to the length covered.
Please note that I’m not really interesting in opinion here, I’m wondering if there are any factual details and plans in existence that simply aren’t being talked about or if this is really as haphazard and on-the-fly as it appears.
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