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What is a woman? What is a man?

No thanks. I don't have the time to read his nonsense.

His reputation speaks volumes.

He didn't do any of the 11 studies. Are you daft?

I'll post all 11. You then acknowledge he was right and you are, in fact, the troll.
 
He didn't do any of the 11 studies. Are you daft?

I'll post all 11. You then acknowledge he was right and you are, in fact, the troll.
I have read the first few previously. His bias was obvious. I don't need to read any more. He has discredited himself sufficiently that his work will be ignored by everyone but people like yourself who reject medical science and the scientific method.
 

What part of "he didn't do any of the studies" do you not understand?
 
What part of "he didn't do any of the studies" do you not understand?
I have read his work. Post them and I will fact-check them for you. You won't believe the fact-checks because this is a religious quest to you. Your mind is made up and you jump on anything that supports your transphobic ideas.
 
I have read his work. Post them and I will fact-check them for you. You won't believe the fact-checks because this is a religious quest to you. Your mind is made up and you jump on anything that supports your transphobic ideas.
Again. Not his work. You are hung up on him. He had become your belezebubba. He didn't do the studies.

It's a religious quest for me, yet you have predetermined to ignore the only 11 studies on desistance... which all found similar outcome - must kids desist by the time puberty is completed. There are no other studies on desistance. No studies found anything different.

All 11 are linked in the article I cited. You can find them easily, starting with the one from 1972.
 
The Blanchard theory is discredited nonsense.

Wiki/Cantor
 
I'll post all 11. But only if you then acknowledge he was right, and you are the troll.
Quick posting; in my car on my phone. I'll hit the others later I hope.

That's not exactly how that works. I could easily post multiple discredited studies and claim them as accurate. We would have to see the studies, look to see if there might have been a bias to them (similar to that write up about Cantor), and what the peer review was. Even an honestly intended study could have procedural errors within.
 
I have read his work. Post them and I will fact-check them for you. You won't believe the fact-checks because this is a religious quest to you. Your mind is made up and you jump on anything that supports your transphobic ideas.
You are showing your own bias, Lisa. The 11 studies are, supposedly, independent of Cantor. Therefore reading any of Cantor's work does nothing in judging these other works, unless you find reference in them going back to Cantor. When told that they are not by Cantor, and then arguing that Cantor's work is discredited, you engage in a strawman argument because there is no claim that the 11 are Cantor's work.
 
The Blanchard theory is discredited nonsense.


Wiki/Cantor

Again. Cantor didn't do any of the studies. Not a single one. So, I have no idea what you are on about.
 
Again. Cantor didn't do any of the studies. Not a single one. So, I have no idea what you are on about.
How many times and how many ways do I need to explain it to you before it sinks in? Cantor supports Ray Blanchard's theory of autogynephilia. Autogynephilia was discredited 25-30 years ago. The fact that you would continue to support a transphobe is a given. You will blindly support anyone who tells you that your transphobic ideas are correct, regardless of their lack of scientific credibility.


Having a discussion with you on this idea is akin to discussing Covid19 with an anti-vaxxer or Roe v. Wade anti-abortion nutter. You didn't have any factual knowledge of the subject because you will glom on to any claim that supports your idea, even if it is at odds with somth9ing that you said previously because opposing transgendered care or even the idea that people are born transgender because this a religious crusade. You are desperate for your beliefs to be supported, even by the most discredited hack. You are an emotional thinker and your mind is already made up. When a claim of yours is discredited you are desperate to go find another transphobic nut job to make a claim that you will defend to the death. It is likely easier for me to teach stray cats thermodynamics than for you to understand human sexuality.

I doubt that you truly understand that people (less than 5 in 100) are born transgender. You might even believe that being gay is also a choice.
 
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Your claim of physical reality being more important only works for those watching, not those being.

.... I mean, feel free to "be" the person running with your eyes shut towards a wall you therefore can't percieve. I would, however, recommend you perform this experiment at half-speed. Let us know your results.

We are talking about what people are, not what they do.

We are talking about whether or not perception or feelings trump physical reality.

Schizophrenia.

I don't know why you included that, but, it is also an example. I have a good friend - I went through boot camp with him, deployed multiple times with him, fought a war alongside him, cried with him, celebrated with him, was there when his wife cheated on and then left him - who is now convinced that the government put nanotechnology in his brain against his will as part of secret experiments to make super soldiers. I love this guy. But, because I love him... as much as I just want things to be easy between us, as much as I would just like to be able to fall back into banter, to give him a couch and have a beer... I can't play into his fantasy. It would be wrong of me to prioritize my preference to avoid conflict that causes him discomfort over his need to seek medical help. :-( He's delusional, he's sick, and he needs help getting grounded in reality again, not being encouraged to stray further from it.
 
Using "they" in the singular would cause confusion if you were talking about a particular person in a group and provided no other way of identifying them.
Using "they" in the singular would not cause confusion if you were talking about a specific person who was already identified.

The confusion I was talking about, however, was the confusion over which gender pronoun to use, if the person being discussed had an ambiguous gender.
Using "they" instead of "she" or "he" would sidestep that confusion.

Now, of course, if the person being discussed had provided their preferred pronoun usage to you (directly or indirectly), that mostly solves the issue.

Assuming you can manage to remember it.
 

As indicated in the article, most of the 11 are older studies and most have small cohorts.


Which is why I also provided the details from the most recent two, as copied from the cite:


There was an attempt to debunk the steensma study in a Huffingtonpost piece. However, a reanalysis of the numbers confirmed that even those that met dysphoria requirements of DSM 5, 65% still desisted.

I would be more likely to rely on the larger and more recent, but we can go back. One of the studies:



Of the 10 total, only 1 persisted (90% desist).

Of the 8 that met DSM 3, only 1 persisted - 87.5% desisted. Subtracting the lost to follow up only 1 of the 6 persisted of those that met the diagnosis criteria (83.3% desistance). The lost to follow up, most likely desisted based on literature i have read. But, impossible for me to guarantee.
 

LOl. You are silly. So, post your study showing that most kids don't desist after puberty. Don't waste your time. Not a single one exists, you religious fanatic.
 
Depends whom you put your query to. People have been asking and answering that question for centuries. Here are some examples just for fun:

Adam's rib
Weaker vessel
Frailty, thy name is woman
I am woman hear me roar
Woman, have you got cheating on your mind?
This little light of mine
Five feet of heaven and a pony tail
 

I think he has a good point. The perception may be more important to the person, in some cases. But, then the question becomes is that self perception more important than the outside perception in things such as medicine, sex based statistics, society as a whole, etc.. I don't believe so.
 
LOl. You are silly. So, post your study showing that most kids don't desist after puberty. Don't waste your time. Not a single one exists, you religious fanatic.
How many of those kids in that discredited study had ever stated that they were trans and desired HRT to transition? How many of them had sought a mental health diagnosis from a psychologist? How many times do you need to be reminded that they can not desist if they were never trans to behind with?

Do I need to remind you that I am an atheist?
 
How many of them had sought a mental health diagnosis from a psychologist?

They all had diagnosis from psych. That's why they were at the gender clinic. 8 of the 10 met the criteria of the dsm3. Only 1 persisted. 6 desisted and 2 were lost to follow up (likely desisted).
 
They all had diagnosis from psych. That's why they were at the gender clinic. 8 of the 10 met the criteria of the dsm3. Only 1 persisted. 6 desisted and 2 were lost to follow up (likely desisted).
They were at the gender clinic because they displayed behaviors that were not CIS and heterosexual typical. Some crossdressed, some questioned traditional gender roles, some played with non-typical gendered toys, etc. That doesn't in any way means that they were trans.
 

They have diagnosis. They met the requirements of the dsm. I have multiple studies confirming my position. You have faith and huff post articles. Anyway. I'm done with you again. Cya.
 
They have diagnosis. They met the requirements of the dsm. I have multiple studies confirming my position. You have faith and huff post articles. Anyway. I'm done with you again. Cya.
What faith articles? Did you forget that I was an atheist, to do you now know what the word atheist means either?


I don't read HuffPo, ever.
 

Sorry, XXY is Klinefelter's syndrome, which is a male intersex condition.
 
Sorry, XXY is Klinefelter's syndrome, which is a male intersex condition.
OK. Kleinfelter's and trans is quite a combination.

I'm reasonably certain that you know who Caroline Cossey is.
 
OK. Kleinfelter's and trans is quite a combination.

I'm reasonably certain that you know who Caroline Cossey is.
EDIT,

Apparently the mix of Kleinfelters and trans is not uncommon.


 
How many times and how many ways do I need to explain it to you before it sinks in?

How many times and how many ways do we need to explain it to you before it sinks in? He is referencing 11 other studies that were NOT done by Cantor, and I doubt that all 11 were done by Blanchard.
 
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