for sociological reasons? For salvaiton reasons? definitional context matters.
Interesting. I had not thought about sociological, I meant the thread for salvation reasons.
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
To be a Christian is to believe in Jesus Christ and follow His teachings. The coming of the true Messiah had been prophesied in the Old Testament.
How can we say we believe in Jesus Christ if we think any of those significant aspect about His life - the virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection - is false? If any of those are not true, then that would mean He is not the true Messiah.
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
Why doe Paul say the gospel, not Jesus, saves?
1. The virgin birth.
How can we say we believe in Jesus Christ if we think any of those significant aspect about His life - the virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection - is false? If any of those are not true, then that would mean He is not the true Messiah.
Why doe Paul say the gospel, not Jesus, saves?
May I ask where you find the passage that says, "Why does Paul say the gospel, not Jesus, saves?" ... All of Paul's writing occurred previous to the creation of the four Gospels. It's impossible that Paul would have been referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. He would have to be referring thusly to the (lower case 'g') gospel of Jesus of Nazareth.What doe it mean to "believe in" Jesus? What doe messiah mean since Jesus totally rejected the Jewish view (which was in fact not unitary by multifarious)? Why doe Paul say the gospel, not Jesus, saves? Why does Paul say faith without love is meaningless? Why does Paul say the only thing that counts is a "new creation" and what does that mean? What do you mean when you say that texts (the gospel and epistles) are true?
Simplistic notions of faith and Christianity without authentic questioning dishonors the gospel.
At some point, someone is going to add that Paul never explicitly mentioned the divinity of Christ in any of his writings. Paul certainly asserts the divine revelation of the gospel he is preaching, but he does not go as far as to mention the virgin birth or any miracles that are now credited to Jesus. It's definitely a possiblity that Paul did not believe in the divinity of Christ, as many other Judeo-Christian faiths argue. That, I believe, goes back to the question of "What is a Christian?"What did he mean by "Gospel?" The teachings of Christ.
1. Your definition excludes major Christian denominations. Catholics, for example. Us radical Protestants (though I am now an atheist), aren't granted the power to to decide who is and is not Christian using just one of their extrabiblical beliefs. Especially given that Catholics invented many of the doctrines we still adhere to that are ALSO not exactly Biblical.So it seems to me that what we need here at DP is a good definition of “Christian”.
A “Christian” is someone who understands that they are a sinner and unfit for a just and holy God and deserve everlasting Hell.
A “Christian” also understands that what a holy God requires the love of God provided when no-less than God, Himself, came to this world in a physical body, born of a virgin and died an excruciating death on a cross. He died to pay the price for their sins and to rescue them from Hell by imparting in them the very righteousness of Christ, Himself.
A “Christian” understands that they are absolutely helpless to save themselves and that Christ’s free gift of grace is all that is required for their salvation--nothing more.
A “Christian” is someone who undergoes a change of heart (vs. a change in position as some would argue, i.e. the “rich man” who must give away all his possessions to obtain eternal life).
I’m sure I could elaborate but that’s really all there is to it.
So what’s wrong with my definition of a Christian?"
What did he mean by "Gospel?" The teachings of Christ.
What did Christ say? I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.
If one follows the teachings of Christ, that means he believes in Him.
If one follows the gospel, he follows the teachings of Christ.
If he follows Christ - he is saved!
Therefore, following the gospel saves!
May I ask where you find the passage that says, "Why does Paul say the gospel, not Jesus, saves?" ... All of Paul's writing occurred previous to the creation of the four Gospels. It's impossible that Paul would have been referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. He would have to be referring thusly to the (lower case 'g') gospel of Jesus of Nazareth.
I beleive to be a Christian you need to beleive in:
1. The virgin birth.
2. The Crucifiction.
3. The resurrection.
and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. Is there more?
Because we aren't saved if we don't follow His teachings.
Matthew 7
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Jesus teaches that you have to give away all your possessions. Are you saved?
The funny thing is the passage just cited doesn't say what you say it said. It doesn't mention teachings. Modern American Christians and their neglect of Jesus plain teachings about helping the poor and not accumulated money, might want to be thankful for that.
Actually it does say what he claimed.... :shrefug:
Can't see the word see the word "teaching" in the verse. Please point it out.
I would go with you have to be Catholic as well since Jesus didn't leave us a bible, he left us a succession of followers aka his Church which was recognized by early christians in early christian writings. Everything else is just a tampered with form of Christianity.
Usually if people refer to themselves as Christian I'll go with it but in all honesty they're not fully Christian if they deny Gods Church.
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