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What happens next to the Conservative Party? (1 Viewer)

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Pierre Poilievre might not be able to stay on as leader.


There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Doug Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.
 
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Doug Ford but I doubt he wants to leave provincial politics.
 
ACTUALLY I think Poilievre should NOT have conceded the results, should have insisted on election results be "investigated" and should have rallied his supporters to storm Parliament.
 
Pierre Poilievre might not be able to stay on as leader.


There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Doug Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.
Doug Ford does not speak French so that will never happen.
 
The Con party had the best results in this election than in recent past ones.

Economically they moved to the left, outside if attacking " woke" they stayed out of social issues.

To maintain the potential votes gained from ndp or liberals they will need to maintain that stance.

I expect however that the Alberta cons will push the next leader to move back towards the right on social issues, losing the more left votes they gained in this election
 
ACTUALLY I think Poilievre should NOT have conceded the results, should have insisted on election results be "investigated" and should have rallied his supporters to storm Parliament.


If there is reason to suspect something is amiss with the count - perhaps, Poilievre doesn't want to drag us into limbo at this crucial time when we need the Parliament (government) as early as yesterday!
Remember how we've been so concerned about Parliament being shut down for such a period of time?

He's putting the nation first.
 
If there is reason to suspect something is amiss with the count - perhaps, Poilievre doesn't want to drag us into limbo at this crucial time when we need the Parliament (government) as early as yesterday!
Remember how we've been so concerned about Parliament being shut down for such a period of time?

He's putting the nation first.
I was being sarcastic.
 
It's incredibly difficult as an adult. I also think Ford does not have the desire to learn.
He doesn't have the desire to be Prime Minister either. However, the point being made is that the Conservative party needs a leader that can win and the only one I've seen who can is Ford. Not saying he is going to run or learn French. But if he should ever get the notion, he might just have to learn French, which btw, is NOT hard. I am of German descent and speak it fluently but if there is a hard language to learn, it's German, believe me.
 
Pierre Poilievre might not be able to stay on as leader.


There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Doug Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.

He lost his seat so he definitely won't be able to stay on as leader.
Canadians don't want a Trump mk2
 
He lost his seat so he definitely won't be able to stay on as leader.
Canadians don't want a Trump mk2
Apparently quite a few do or else the Liberals would have won a majority. THANKFULLY, they are still in the minority, but they are NOT nonexistent either.
 
Pierre Poilievre might not be able to stay on as leader.


There were some tensions within the party and between the Federal and Provincial Conservatives. There could be issues among them, that we don't know about.
A pundit had suggested that Doug Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.

I was thinking Lisa Raitt, might make a come-back and become leader.


Your thoughts.

Heya, Tos... :) How are you doing today, you good? Asking sincerely, I know there are a lot of disenfranchised conservatives out there this morning.

As I've said before, and what couldn't be more clear this morning, is that the CPC needs to restore their pre-2013 brand and demeanor, and update that energy for the world we're in now, which, as I'm sure you'd agree, looks pretty different from back in those days.

After 4 flops no delusions should remain: Canada does not want a Trump style conservative party in the kind of numbers they'd need to actually form government. Too many of us just don't like assholes up here, which is why the Liberals were on the ropes under Trudeau.

The best thing they could do is put PP to the curb. He reeks of failure, and is representative of the modern CPC infatuation with being argumentative, petty dipshits. Put someone in charge who is both smart and has class, and can stand on their own logic and accomplishments, rather than having their entire existence justified by the alleged failures of others. And they need to stop pandering to their dog shit fringe, and try to appeal to the middle, where the actual votes are.

A return to fiscal and classic conservatism is the only way forward for conservatives. Social and populist conservatism has failed up here, in the process creating a greater divide than we've seen in this country in modern times. That's the lesson the Conservatives need to learn, and it's one I truly and sincerely hope they learn. We operate best when all our parties are strong and working together. The gong show that the CPC has been since 2013 has only created chaos and hard feelings. That shit needs to go away.

But this isn't just on the CPC. Canadian conservatives need to do better as well. For a lot of people, voting conservative means taking on a stink that they don't want on them, myself included. You guys need to be more reasonable, less abbrassive and whiny about, like, everything, honestly. Take down the **** Trudeau flags, they're cringe and they make people hate you. Stop being so heartless when it comes to people that are not like you, that's not what our country is about. If you're going to talk emphatically, know what you're talking about, everyone has the internet, you can't hide dumb like you used to be able to. And stop talking so much shit about people you disagree with. Not only does it invite the same in return, it just makes it icky to identify as a conservative for people who still believe in what it has always meant to be Canadian.

The party has a lot of work to do, but so do it's supporters. Shit has gone off the rails in Canada since Harper went nuts in 2013, and while it will take all of us to "fix" it, the folks who started us down this path of assholery have to be the ones who steer us off of it. Things won't get better for you until you deserve it.

I know that you're probably not going to like this, and are less ready to hear it, but there are the thoughts you asked for...hehe
 
A pundit had suggested that Doug Ford would want to become leader of the Federal Conservatives, and run for Prime Minister in the next election.
Someone like Ford is the conservative's best bet to present themselves as a party that can appeal to a broader electorate.

But (and it's a big but) Doug Ford doesn't speak French.

Lester B Pearson was the last unilingual Prime Minister. Common wisdom is that it would be impossible for a unilingual candidate to win in today's world.
 
Dougie made more than a few blunders during the vocal part of Trump's trade war. That and his propensity and long history of lavishing backhanders to his developer buddies, has many of us taking a pass on wishing for a Ford ascendency.

Conservatives are known for eating their own. There will already be back-room meetings among the luminati going on in a frenzied, but very quiet, movement to rid themselves of the Pepe baggage and pick someone Danielle Smith will endorse ( ;) ) but also someone with the charisma of a bridge builder (rather than a smarmy, arrogant little widget) that would gain appeal to middle ground Canadians.

Carney for his part needs to expend a lot of effort courting the malcontents among the western provinces and reducing Ottawa's chain link fencing. We need rapid growth, not movement of monies to someone else's filling of potholes.
 
Carney for his part needs to expend a lot of effort courting the malcontents among the western provinces
His background as a westerner will serve him well in that regard.

A NWT/Albertan hockey player. What could be more western?
 
Heya, Tos... :) How are you doing today, you good? Asking sincerely, I know there are a lot of disenfranchised conservatives out there this morning.

As I've said before, and what couldn't be more clear this morning, is that the CPC needs to restore their pre-2013 brand and demeanor, and update that energy for the world we're in now, which, as I'm sure you'd agree, looks pretty different from back in those days.

After 4 flops no delusions should remain: Canada does not want a Trump style conservative party in the kind of numbers they'd need to actually form government. Too many of us just don't like assholes up here, which is why the Liberals were on the ropes under Trudeau.

The best thing they could do is put PP to the curb. He reeks of failure, and is representative of the modern CPC infatuation with being argumentative, petty dipshits. Put someone in charge who is both smart and has class, and can stand on their own logic and accomplishments, rather than having their entire existence justified by the alleged failures of others. And they need to stop pandering to their dog shit fringe, and try to appeal to the middle, where the actual votes are.

A return to fiscal and classic conservatism is the only way forward for conservatives. Social and populist conservatism has failed up here, in the process creating a greater divide than we've seen in this country in modern times. That's the lesson the Conservatives need to learn, and it's one I truly and sincerely hope they learn. We operate best when all our parties are strong and working together. The gong show that the CPC has been since 2013 has only created chaos and hard feelings. That shit needs to go away.

But this isn't just on the CPC. Canadian conservatives need to do better as well. For a lot of people, voting conservative means taking on a stink that they don't want on them, myself included. You guys need to be more reasonable, less abbrassive and whiny about, like, everything, honestly. Take down the **** Trudeau flags, they're cringe and they make people hate you. Stop being so heartless when it comes to people that are not like you, that's not what our country is about. If you're going to talk emphatically, know what you're talking about, everyone has the internet, you can't hide dumb like you used to be able to. And stop talking so much shit about people you disagree with. Not only does it invite the same in return, it just makes it icky to identify as a conservative for people who still believe in what it has always meant to be Canadian.

The party has a lot of work to do, but so do it's supporters. Shit has gone off the rails in Canada since Harper went nuts in 2013, and while it will take all of us to "fix" it, the folks who started us down this path of assholery have to be the ones who steer us off of it. Things won't get better for you until you deserve it.

I know that you're probably not going to like this, and are less ready to hear it, but there are the thoughts you asked for...hehe


I'm giving Carney the benefit of the doubt and I look forward to see how he'll deal with our problems.
We don't know much about him - and what I "know" comes from the media. :rolleyes:
You know media!

He might be the answer to deal with Trump - and he might really bring forth his expertise on the economy.
We'll see.

I hope he doesn't clog and strangle our business growth with bureaucracy.
I'm content that it's a minority government.


But the Prime Minister would be faced with big challenges - no matter who won.
The election wasn't about partisanship.
It was about who Canada thinks can best deal with Trump.
 
We don't know much about him
You don't know much about him.
I hope he doesn't clog and strangle our business growth with bureaucracy.
He's reduced Cabinet and has said he's going to reduce the size of the federal government to be more in line with where it was before Trudeau grew it by 40%.

Do you not get any news where you are?
 
I'm giving Carney the benefit of the doubt and I look forward to see how he'll deal with our problems.
We don't know much about him - and what I "know" comes from the media. :rolleyes:
You know media!

He might be the answer to deal with Trump - and he might really bring forth his expertise on the economy.
We'll see.

I hope he doesn't clog and strangle our business growth with bureaucracy.
I'm content that it's a minority government.


But the Prime Minister would be faced with big challenges - no matter who won.
The election wasn't about partisanship.
It was about who Canada thinks can best deal with Trump.

Honestly, Tos, I'm not going to nitpick this, as it's probably the most reasonable, chill post I've seen you make.

I agree, no matter who the PM was going to be, they would be faced with massive challenges, and they would be judged by the same metric.

I am also in favor of a minority government, in order to keep whoever is in power accountable and on the hot seat. As I've said elsewhere, I think the Canadian mandate is so clear and strong this election that any party choosing now to play hack political games is committing political suicide, so I'm more likely to believe that a non confidence vote will only take place in the face of real incompetence on the trade front.

Basically, I don't think you need to do any more of your "watch" threads... hehe.. the whole country is watching. :)
 
YouTube seems to be a favored news source.

Nothing wrong with it.
The news media you see on tv are on youtube.


There are some news on youtube that are not on main stream media - and when you check it out and do a research, you find out they're true.


The most recent manipulated news I got from CBC was the post-debate scrum incident when journalists from independent media were allowed by the debate committee to ask questions.
CBC gave a one-sided opinion (which is nt news -since opinion isn't news)!
But I saw the live interview on Comier with David Cochran - and I saw how Comier effectively pushed back on Cochran. I like how pointed out FREE SPEECH!

Rebel News showed some insight regarding the fall-out that followed. Showed a ranting, unhinged journalist that was opposed to the independent media! CBC was silent about that. 😁
Some journalists here are behaving like the unhinged MSNBC hosts and The View people.

Our elitist legacy mainstream media have become................ prima donnas!
 
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Nothing wrong with it.
The news media you see on tv are on youtube.
Yes...YouTube TV carries live TV.
Most of the other YouTube content seems to consist of hyperventilating pundits trying to attract attention.
Nothing wrong with that.
It is what it is.
There are some news on youtube that are not on main stream media - and when you check it out and do a research, you find out they're true.
Maybe true, maybe not.....see above.
The most recent manipulated news I got from CBC was the post-debate scrum incident when journalists from independent media were allowed by the debate committee to ask questions.
CBC gave a one-sided opinion (which is nt news -since opinion isn't news)!
True.
Rebel News showed some insight regarding the fall-out that followed. Showed a ranting, unhinged journalist that was opposed to the independent media! CBC was silent about that.
Do you think Rebel News is an unbiased news source?
Looking at their site, it appears to have lots of opinionating going on.
As you have said....opinions aren't news.......why would the CBC report on opinions?
 

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