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What Created The 2008 Financial Meltdown?

What Created The 2008 Financial Meltdown?


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I think all are responsible to a degree, but I think Wall Street and deregulation is more responsible than the others.

The problem is, the deregulation was a quid pro quo. It was the government telling the banks that if they play along with their housing experiment, the government will play along with their finance experiment.
 

Agreed, but at this point the Big Banks bundled the loans they knew were bad and marketed them as investment vehicles. This was the point where the loans grew in financial size and liabilities were transferred to pension and investment funds. WooHoo and the Big Banks win again. The shenanigans were well documented before the crash. I am a member of a fraternal organization and we tried to move our investments out of mortgage backed instruments. We didn't completely succeed because almost every type of investment was contaminated or else our broker is an idiot. Either of those thoughts is possible. We were trying to get out of mortgages before the inevitable crash. It wasn't a surprise. We were not unique in our observations, nor psychic, nor financial geniuses, just common folk.
 

The bubble was already near full-inflated at the time frame you note. The frenzy you note has alredy been explained. What you failed to note is what got this massive uber-inflation in housing started in the first place. Which then made all that you note possible.

That everyone was trying to make a buck off the inflation in the housing market by mid-decade is the no brainer.
 
Most of the blame belongs to the borrowers and the government.

The borrowers and the government weren't having appraisers put in inflated appraisal values in order to get loans that they could sell off. I know a few people who worked for Countrywide prior to the bubble, the banks were not only aware of the issue, they were actively exacerbating it AND taking advantage of idiots who weren't financially able to borrow the amount that they were borrowing.

When an idiot's banker tells them that they can refi in order to avoid foreclosure indefinitely, the idiot will believe them. That's called predatory lending, though, and it was rampant.
 

Which conveniently omits the fact that while the bubble was still inflating, folks could have sold at any time for a substantial profit. That factoid deflates a whole lot of the libtard claims of "predatory lending", where once again liberals try to shift accountability from the individual, for the choices they freely make, onto some other boogieman that now requires the nanny state to take action.

Government started the whole sub-prime mess. They created the beast.
 

That's only the case where they had planned to flip the house in the first place and not simply have a place to live.
 
Which conveniently omits the fact that while the bubble was still inflating...

False. As the bubble was bursting and values began declining, there were still inflated values being sent in.

One of the main reasons that the values were inflating was because the lenders were getting their appraisers to "make the value work" so that the loan would be workable. (Can't get a cash out refi if there is no 'equity'. Often times, there was never any equity to begin with, especially in cases like the 115% LTV loans)
 
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Is it just me, or is the fact that our financial system is so convoluted that no one is even completely sure what happened, part of the problem?
 
That's only the case where they had planned to flip the house in the first place and not simply have a place to live.

Incorrect. Every owner who made a choice to refinance also had the option to put the house on the market for a profit, a condition that existed for better than 8 years while the bubble was still inflating. They made all the choices involved, good, bad, and ugly. What I have effectively disputed is all this silliness of "predatory" lending. If adults used their homes as credit accounts, they are the ones primarily to blame for ending up with something they could not afford. It is no different then running up credit cards.
 

It effectively does not make one bit of difference. We all get credit card offers all the time. Some are with absurd rates and interest escalators, etc. If I sign my name to a pathetic offer, and then accumulate debt on it, its seems that only a politician trying to get me on the nanny-state bandwagon will have sympathy, attempting to corrupt personal accountability in return for a vote.

Like so many things, the home is worth whatever some fool will pay for it.
 
Rothschild family and USA's wars costs.

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Do this again and you get thread banned. Your conspiracy theory crap belongs in the Conspiracy Theory Forum.
 
George W Bush and Ronald Reagan.

Deregulation.

A true testimonial to the intersection of imagery and ignorance lubricated by politics and greed resulting in a predictable cataclysm, but no Republican could see it coming. Blind-sided, don't ya' know?
 
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