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What began WWII?

Let's be honest here. Germany started WW1, so blaming the Treaty of Versailles is a bit like blaming the high electric bill on the jail that just fried a mass murderer.
 
Let's be honest here. Germany started WW1, so blaming the Treaty of Versailles is a bit like blaming the high electric bill on the jail that just fried a mass murderer.

Uhhhh, Germany did not start World War I. Serbian intelligence orchestrated the assassination of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary, Franz Ferdinand, and Austria went to war with Serbia in response. Russia immediately began mobilizing its military for war against Austria to protect Serbia. Germany, intent on supporting Austria against Russia and effectively assured of French support for Russia in any such war, moved to wage war against France. The British had every intention of defending France, but used Belgian neutrality as the official casus belli. Such a bizarre eventuality is exactly why George Washington warned of entangling alliances and yet the United States is in a whole bunch of such alliances at the moment.
 

So Germany was preparing to defend an ally by invading an openly neutral, non-aggressive nation (Belgium). That's a lot like America defending itself by invading Iraq, I reckon.
 

I would be sure to add "Manifest Destiny" to that list as well. Well, maybe not, since the US wasn't expanding to protect any long established population...

So Germany was preparing to defend an ally by invading an openly neutral, non-aggressive nation (Belgium). That's a lot like America defending itself by invading Iraq, I reckon.

The German invasion of Belgium did not start WWI, unless you believe that the war didn't start until England got in.

That being said, it was the invasion of Belgium, and its aftermath, that undoubtedly painted Germany as the aggressor among the neutral nations of the world.


It was both Clemenceau and Lloyd George who had won their elections through blood lust for Germans and who both sacrificed Wilson's ideas for the post war world with the politics of revenge.

England and France both wanted to maintain their dying Empires and it wasn't until the next war that free trade overcame imperialism as the dominant allied ideology.


BTW, I think it should be mentioned that there was already a war in Asia going on before Europe was set off in the late 1930's.
 
Extension to this:

The weakness of the League of Nations. If the UN were here during this things could have been very different.

The UN would have mad no difference.
 
What began WW2?

From a military vs. military beginning?

This...




Or this...




Opinions vary.
 
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Let's be honest here. Germany started WW1, so blaming the Treaty of Versailles is a bit like blaming the high electric bill on the jail that just fried a mass murderer.

Uh, no. Most will agree that WWI was started by most if not all of its participants though there are disagreements about the share of responsibility. Germany does share a large portion of that but France, England, Russia, Austria, Serbia, and all the usual suspects share it too. It's not a war of German aggression, it's a war of colonialism, nationalism, and power struggles.
 
What began WW2?

From a military vs. military beginning?

This...




Or this...




Opinions vary.
Oooooooooooooh how cute and clever this guy is. How cute and clever.

He thought no one here could recognize the German (pre-Dreadnought) Battleship Schleschwig-Holstein, or the German Stuka dive bomber. Wrongo, dude. And wasn't "Westerplatte" the Germanized name of the Polish fortress which was S-H's target? I do confess I had never heard say that a Stuka might have dropped a bomb before S-H opened up, but it doesn't sound implausible.
 



Geez...chip on your shoulder or what?

I actually thought that many on here would know this...which is why I did not bother to post the name of the ship.

As for the Stuka's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wieluń


Next time, try asking instead of looking silly by claiming to know what someone is thinking when clearly you have no clue.


Good day.
 
Extension to this:

The weakness of the League of Nations. If the UN were here during this things could have been very different.

Its hard to imagine a UN pre-WW2, so much of the structure and mission of the UN is based on the result of the WW2 that I couldn't imagine how it would have looked without that or if it would have even been possible.
 


Geez...chip on your shoulder or what?
Perceptive of you.


I actually thought that many on here would know this...which is why I did not bother to post the name of the ship.
BS.


As for the Stuka's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wieluń


Next time, try asking instead of looking silly by claiming to know what someone is thinking when clearly you have no clue.
What are you talking about?- I read you exactly right on the money and did not actually contest what you wrote. You said "opinions vary" (as to who fired the first shot) and my reply "I do confess I had never heard say that a Stuka might have dropped a bomb before S-H opened up, but it doesn't sound implausible" was not ambiguous.


Good day.
Bye for now.
 

The last three posts from you to me were 1) you giving me an order, 2) telling me (wrongly) what I was thinking and then 3) calling me a liar.

I have no time or desire to interact with ding dong's like you.

You are on my ignore list.


Good day.
 
DA60: The last three posts from you to me were
1) you giving me an order,
Me: CORRECT.

DA60:2) telling me (wrongly) what I was thinking
Me: INCORRECT. I TOLD YOU RIGHTLY WHAT YOU WERE THINKING.

DA60:and then 3) calling me a liar.
Me: WHO, ME?

DA60:I have no time or desire to interact with ding dong's like you. You are on my ignore list.
Me: YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO HURT A GUY.

DA60:Good day.
Me: ADIOS.
 
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