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WH memo: No mention of imminent threat


So in your mind Iran’s was justified to kill hundreds of Americans based on a former US general who made some unsubstantiated claims years after we invaded Iraq about a memo he not only claims he never read but later backed off of and said it wasn’t a real plan.

Like I said to ER When the basis of your entire argument is it’s always America’s fault I guess you will believe anything no matter how ridiculous.

Forgive me if I don’t take anything else you say seriously.
 

Please point out where I said Iran was justified in killing hundreds of Americans.

Second, General Wesley Clark was and remains a highly respected military veteran, and furthermore his statements were corroborated by numerous others. If you believe he is lying I'm sure you can provide some proof of it.

Like I said to ER When the basis of your entire argument is it’s always America’s fault I guess you will believe anything no matter how ridiculous.
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Are you denying that we worked with Iran for a brief period after 9/11?
 

Braindrain:

Way to go, Braindrain. Congratulations! You completely missed the point of my post and laminated over it your own biases and preconceptions. Soleimani was an officer in the Iranian Military. His assassination was an act of war against Iran (and Iraq too). No state of war exists between either Iran or Iraq and the US Government. The POTUS does not have the power to commit acts of war without Congressional authorisation, unless and only unless, there is an imminent threat to the United States. When challenged on this point President Trump lied, claiming there was an imminent threat. He acted illegally according to US law and the US constitution. The memo proves there was no consideration of imminent threat before the attacks were ordered an launched and other evidence points to the assassination as being an attack of opportunity coordinated with another assassination attempt against an Iranian officer in Yemen, which failed. Thus President Trump violated the US constitution, a crime. He lied to cover up that crime, another crime.

That was the point of my post, which you so completely missed or chose to ignore.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 

My heart just aches for all the people on that airliner that died unnecessarily, prompted by our attack.
 

He killed a U.S. citizen, denying that citizen his civil rights. Should any president who extrajudicially executes a citizen of the republic be impeached and removed from office at all possible haste?
 
Lursa said:
My heart just aches for all the people on that airliner that died unnecessarily, prompted by our attack.
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Yeah, if the Iranians hadn't shot the aircraft down, they would all still be alive.
 
braindrain said:
If you don’t think Hussein would have killed Powell or Chaney if they had the opportunity then you are delusional.
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Hell, he tried to kill President Bush in 1993. The President launched a huge cruise missile attack on Iraq in response.

What I am finding so sad is the number of people who are actually defending a terrorist. Why, because of TrUmP. Those with TDS are many times worse than even those with ODS.
 
apdst said:
He killed a U.S. citizen, denying that citizen his civil rights. Should any president who extrajudicially executes a citizen of the republic be impeached and removed from office at all possible haste?
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Now you're just changing the subject completely. An enemy combatant that the congress has declared war on is very different than killing any old civilian, the same way a police officer is allowed to shoot someone who is an active threat, but not some guy sitting at a table merely planning out evil things. Very different. And you are obfuscating because you can't logically argue the point.
 
Lursa said:
My heart just aches for all the people on that airliner that died unnecessarily, prompted by our attack.
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No, they were killed because of the incompetence of the Iraqi military.

Now I might accept that, if the aircraft was coming in to land at that airport. But that is not the case at all, the jet had just left the airport, had been cleared to depart, and was both climbing and leaving. The attack had nothing to do with that, it was gross stupidity.

Then add to it they knew immediately what happened, but tried to cover it up for days. Even trying to blame the downing on the US.
 

When did Congress declare war on a U.S. citizen?
 

I'm still no convinced it wasn't a false flag operation.
 
apdst said:
I'm still no convinced it wasn't a false flag operation.
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The only problem with that was that it was not even known until after Kuwait arrested those involved with the explosives. The US was not even informed of this until after President Bush left the country.

The arrest was on 13 April 1993, the visit was on 14-16 April. The US was not even told of the attempt until 22 April, and sent explosives experts on 29 April to go over the evidence.

That is not a false flag. The attempt was covered up from all sides until 27 June 1993, when the US presented it's evidence to the UNSC.
 

I'm referring to the shootdown in Iran.
 
apdst said:
When did Congress declare war on a U.S. citizen?
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I stated very clearly that he was a member of an organization that they declared war on. I never said congress declared on him individually.

You seem to think that if you just confuse the issue and refuse to argue the actual facts presented that you are going to get somewhere. In reality it just shows people that you aren't up to the task of an honest debate. You should really think about that.
 

He was still a U.S. citizen, who had the same civil rights as any other citizen of The United States.

You're the one that brought up "a Democrat president killing anyone he wanted". You seem to be ok with that. But, you're but hurt because Trump zapped an actual terrorist.
 

They wouldnt have been firing at anyone had we not attacked them...on what seems more and more like false pretenses.

So we initiated the actions that the Iraqis responded to (incompetently) and many innocent people died.
 

Unless he was an actual enemy fighter for an organization that has declared war on the US.

Just because you can't comprehend the difference doesn't mean they are the same. Killing an enemy combatant that the congress has declared war on is different than killing a bad guy from another country that congress has not authorized the use of military force on either the country he represents. The us citizenship issue you are bringing up has nothing to do with the discussion. You are diverting, again and again and again, because you don't have the facts on your side.
 

He commanded the Quds Force, which has been designated as a terrorist organization.

It's funny watching you trip all over your pecker on this one. :lamo
 
apdst said:
He commanded the Quds Force, which has been designated as a terrorist organization.

It's funny watching you trip all over your pecker on this one. :lamo
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Again, you bring up a fact that doesn't matter. The quds force isn't in the AUMF.

It's just sad that you keep flailing in the wind like this.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Again, you bring up a fact that doesn't matter. The quds force isn't in the AUMF.

It's just sad that you keep flailing in the wind like this.
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Still waiting for you to tell us about that U.S. citizen that Congress declared war on.
 
Lursa said:
They wouldnt have been firing at anyone had we not attacked them...on what seems more and more like false pretenses.

So we initiated the actions that the Iraqis responded to (incompetently) and many innocent people died.
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Do you really think that Iran gives a damn?

Remember, this is a nation that killed a young woman in 2009 during a peaceful protest.

Then many times since changed their story. Originally they tried to claim she was a "Western Fraud", and she was not really dead but it was all fake. And more recently, the "official line" is that she was killed by "Western Intelligence", in order to pin the blame on Iran. Some even go so far as to say Neda was involved in her own death, arranging for herself to be killed by "Anti-Iranian Organizations" just to make the country look bad.

All insane, yet even 10 years later, that is what they tell their own people, and anybody else who will listen. Of course, they also deny protests even happened in the first place

Heck, are you even aware that since November the nation has had almost constant protests and even riots? With over 1,500 killed since it started? Or that the government has essentially authorized hit squads to put an end to them?

Special Report: Iran’s leader ordered crackdown on unrest - 'Do whatever it takes to end it' - Reuters

You see, this is the kind of selective commenting that largely makes me ignore certain things. You really do not care about the dead or not it seems to me. They are largely meaningless, you only care about trying to somehow blame the US for it. Sorry, can't do that because it simply makes no sense.
 
apdst said:
Still waiting for you to tell us about that U.S. citizen that Congress declared war on.
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Don't expect it any time soon.

More and more often when things like this come up, reality is pointless, and people only run on emotion, feelings, and their irrationality.

I am still waiting for President Trump to order everybody to breathe at least once a minute, and see all those scream and refuse to breathe in protest. It has almost gotten to that point now.
 

Oh, I know. Just calling out the lies.
 
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