West vs the Rest? Western Values vs All Others?

[bhkad]

West vs the Rest? Western Values vs All Others?

Marking the passing of the author and political scientist, Samuel Huntington, I take from his 1993 work, "The Clash of Civilizations" this passage to discuss the fundamental premise of US foreign policy, that liberty is universally valued by all.

It seems ridiculous to even debate it but that is why the highlighted sentences are thought provoking.

Western domination of the U.N. Security Council and its decisions, tempered only by occasional abstention by China, produced U.N. legitimation of the West's use of force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait and its elimination of Iraq's sophisticated weapons and capacity to produce such weapons. It also produced the quite unprecedented action by the United States, Britain and France in getting the Security Council to demand that Libya hand over the Pan Am 103 bombing suspects and then to impose sanctions when Libya refused.

After defeating the largest Arab army, the West did not hesistate to throw its weight around in the Arab world. The West in effect is using international institutions, military power and economic resources to run the world in ways that will maintain Western predominance, protect Western interests and promote Western political and economic values.

That at least is the way in which non-Westerners see the new world, and there is a significant element of truth in their view. Differences in power and struggles for military, economic and institutional power are thus one source of conflict between the West and other civilizations. Differences in culture, that is basic values and beliefs, are a second source of conflict. V. S. Naipaul has argued that Western civilization is the "universal civilization" that "fits all men." At a superficial level much of Western culture has indeed permeated the rest of the world.

At a more basic level, however, Western concepts differ fundamentally from those prevalent in other civilizations. Western ideas of individualism, liberalism, constitutionalism, human rights, equality, liberty, the rule of law, democracy, free markets, the separation of church and state, often have little resonance in Islamic, Confucian, Japanese, Hindu, Buddhist or Orthodox cultures.

Western efforts to propagate each ideas produce instead a reaction against "human rights imperialism" and a reaffirmation of indigenous values, as can be seen in the support for religious fundamentalism by the younger generation in non-Western cultures. The very notion that there could be a "universal civilization" is a Western idea, directly at odds with the particularism of most Asian societies and their emphasis on what distinguishes one people from another.

Indeed, the author of a review of 100 comparative studies of values in different societies concluded that "the values that are most important in the West are least important worldwide." n5 In the political realm, of course, these differences are most manifest in the efforts of the United States and other Western powers to induce other peoples to adopt Western ideas concerning democracy and human rights. Modern democratic government originated in the West. When it has developed colonialism or imposition.

n5 Harry C. Triandis, The New York Times, Dec. 25, 1990, p. 41, and "Cross-Cultural Studies of Individualism and Collectivism," Nebraska Symposium on Motivation, vol. 37, 1989, pp. 41-133.

103 Huntington Clash of Civilizations full text

This is, primarily, a thread to explore what non-Western posters think and feel about Western values.

Do you really feel that the "Western ideas of individualism, liberalism, constitutionalism, human rights, equality, liberty, the rule of law, democracy, free markets, the separation of church and state" are unimportant?

If these are relatively unimportant to you, what values would you rate more highly?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

This is, primarily, a thread to explore what non-Western posters think and feel about Western values.

How odd, that by these standards I would not be considered Western-- myself, and so many other Westerners.

Do you really feel that the "Western ideas of individualism, liberalism, constitutionalism, human rights, equality, liberty, the rule of law, democracy, free markets, the separation of church and state" are unimportant?

Out of that list, I value the rule of law, and to some extent democracy and the separation of church and state. I find the ideas that human beings are naturally equal or naturally free to be laughable, and the attempt to make them so is disastrous. The free market itself is nothing more than a tool, and it should be used for the benefit of society, not vice versa.

I am an American of primarily Western and Northern European descent. Am I not "Western"?

If these are relatively unimportant to you, what values would you rate more highly?

Social order, meritocracy, and progress come to mind, as do family values and duty. Government that works for the benefit of all, rather than either special interest groups or the moneyed elite.

 

[Real Talk]

the clash of civilisations thesis is a self fulfilling prophecy
the mro you try to impose something upon someone, the more they will seem to be opposed to it.