As an aside, Donald Trump was a Presbyterian before becoming an evangelical, and Justin Trudeau is a Roman Catholic.
Religion was exactly what the Gordon Riots were about.Nobody actually cares what religion they are.
Religion was exactly what the Gordon Riots were about.
What's strange is how the riots happened despite how the Revolutionaries thought anti-Catholicism was patriotic. It's almost as if Gordon was a revolutionary himself.
Trump's faith resonates with that sense of patriotism today, and Trudeau's Catholicism is treated as a no-kidding point since his leftism is associated with the internationalist hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
How am i suppose to judge the justification of a riot that was 200 years before i was born??
...by studying history and judging the riot on its own merits.How am i suppose to judge the justification of a riot that was 200 years before i was born??
The only thing i know when it comes to dead goldfish is "burials in the bowl".Right down to why little Timmy's goldfish died.
The only thing i know when it comes to dead goldfish is "burials in the bowl".
To be honest, the religious aspect of the riots is a distraction. I wanted to see if anyone was going to read about the details of the event and compare it to today's civil unrest.Catholics and Protestants are equally full of shit, but the riots were borne out of idiotic fearmongering bigotry. Catholics only happened to be the target because they're a minority that you could scapegoat.
I'll get back to this in a little bit. Doing dinner now.XDU:
No the riots were not justified. The Protestant mob was protesting the government's decision to grant relief to Roman Catholics from loss of rights and religious suppression in the name of combating "Popery" and ultramonainism. The mob couldn't wait to let the Parliament fully debate its petition delivered by Lord Gordon and ran amok. There is nothing justified in this shameful display of violent sectarianism. But I can understand why Americans would think this was yet another intolerable act as it was designed to encourage more Roman Catholics to join the British Army due to man-power shortages caused by fighting the American War of Independence. That last fact was completely lost on the 44,000 who rioted in St. Georges Field and surroundings in 1780. They just hated and were fearful of the Roman Catholics and the Church. Anglican zealotry and religious xenophobia (as Catholics were not viewed as real English/British/UK subjects). Totally unjustified riots.
Cheers and be well.
Pax Vobiscum.
Evilroddy.
Where is the "All of the Above" poll option?
As an aside, Donald Trump was a Presbyterian before becoming an evangelical, and Justin Trudeau is a Roman Catholic.
...so the thought I'm having is at the time, King George III came from the House of Hanover which was distinctly Lutheran. That created an interesting situation when considering how he ruled as the head of the Church of England since it suggested he was neither pro Anglo-Catholic High Church nor pro-Calvinist Low Church. His sense of religious self-determination wasn't individually based either, but nationally based as a follow-through of the Treaty of Westphalia following the 30 Years War. Furthermore, he supported the Quebec Act before the Revolution, so it's clear he wasn't anti-Catholic. Even stranger, Thomas Paine described King George as a Jesuit in Common Sense despite how the Jesuits were disbanded a few years before that was published. Even stranger than that is how John Caroll, the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence, maintained the Jesuit Order in the United States during the Revolution after the Order was disbanded.XDU:...
It's been that way since Hebrew tradition was partitioned among Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Zealots away from the Samaritans.Two cults fighting, oh boy...
Religion is ****ing lame.
LOL that’s a funny joke.
As an aside, Donald Trump was a Presbyterian before becoming an evangelical, and Justin Trudeau is a Roman Catholic.
Hmmm no. You’re thinking of the CominternReligion was exactly what the Gordon Riots were about.
What's strange is how the riots happened despite how the Revolutionaries thought anti-Catholicism was patriotic. It's almost as if Gordon was a revolutionary himself.
Trump's faith resonates with that sense of patriotism today, and Trudeau's Catholicism is treated as a no-kidding point since his leftism is associated with the internationalist hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
I'm saying there are people who believe Catholicism and communism are no different.Hmmm no. You’re thinking of the Comintern
XDU:...so the thought I'm having is at the time, King George III came from the House of Hanover which was distinctly Lutheran. That created an interesting situation when considering how he ruled as the head of the Church of England since it suggested he was neither pro Anglo-Catholic High Church nor pro-Calvinist Low Church. His sense of religious self-determination wasn't individually based either, but nationally based as a follow-through of the Treaty of Westphalia following the 30 Years War. Furthermore, he supported the Quebec Act before the Revolution, so it's clear he wasn't anti-Catholic. Even stranger, Thomas Paine described King George as a Jesuit in Common Sense despite how the Jesuits were disbanded a few years before that was published. Even stranger than that is how John Caroll, the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence, maintained the Jesuit Order in the United States during the Revolution after the Order was disbanded.
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In turn, Gordon's Protestant Association seemed to be overreacting naively such that a double negative was at hand. Ordinarily, yes, the oppression of Catholics would be unjustified, but "liberating" Catholics just to fight a war they didn't belong in would be backwards. Plenty of rioters in addition to Gordon himself didn't support continuing the fight against the Revolution either, and the Revolution happened to afford the French and Indian War which was sparked from the Calvinist low church Lee Family from the Ohio Company of Virginia trying to settle the Ohio Valley in Catholic New France. If anything, Calvinists were opposing Catholics having to fight a war to enforce affording a war of Calvinists against Catholics.
What frustrates all of this is how Gordon lost his audience with King George and how Parliament dismissed his petition when his gathering confronted the House of Commons. Peaceful means were employed only to be rejected. The political situation seemed full of doublespeak as if Gordon was trying to appear flexible in order to restore his political career as a prior MP who criticized all sides in Parliament whether in government or opposition, but Parliament rallied against him.
Police weren't deployed, local Irish neighborhoods were attacked, and the army ultimately had to come out. The constitutional monarchy of Britain seemed jeopardized which ironically vilified the concern that Catholics would bring absolute monarchy back to Britain.
The conclusion I'd make is the riots seemed justified, but on accident, not on purpose.
(Reading more about the riots now here:
"In Favour of Popery": Patriotism, Protestantism, and the Gordon Riots in the Revolutionary British Atlantic on JSTOR
Brad A. Jones, "In Favour of Popery": Patriotism, Protestantism, and the Gordon Riots in the Revolutionary British Atlantic, Journal of British Studies, Vol. 52, No. 1 (JANUARY 2013), pp. 79-102www.jstor.org )
To be honest, I'm not familiar with Americans learning about the Gordon Riots at all.XDU:
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Wow. The level of detail you are using goes far beyond my fifty-years-old recollection of fourth and lower-fifth form history and general education. So I'll have to do some catch-up reading before I can come up to anywhere near your level of proficiency in this matter.
When, as a student, I studied this topic, there was much more emphasis on the secular reasons for the riots being so destructive and for the Army's response being so brutal. We focused on the savagery of the Georgian legal system and the profligate use of hanging even for minor offenses as triggers for the widespread violence, destruction and the savage suppression of the riots by the army. We saw the attacks on prisons like Newgate as a more nebulous version of the Bastille in 1789 France and speculated whether this might have been an abortive popular revolution as succeeded across the English Channel. While the religious sectarianism and the hate/fear of Catholicism was covered, it was not in the detail which you have offered in your post. So I have some homework to do before getting back to you. That may take a few days, at least!
Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
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