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I never said I pay 40% Wife and I make 80k a year and pay at that level. Taxes are are nesseccary evil.
I stopped reading when you said half your paycheck was taken in taxes. Frankly I don't believe you in the slightest, perhaps you wouldn't mind posting a copy of your W2?
Businesses contribute by providing jobs, products and investments. You seem to think they owe some greater debt. Why? Class wafare and income envy.
Taxes are a necessary function of government which cannot exist without them, and I don't believe your claim either I'd love to see your W-2 as well
Looking for an excuse to ignore every argument I make? Hmmm? Well, I didn't think you'd read it anyway. That's why I kept it short and sweet, so I wouldn't waste my time typing out an argument you'd ignore anyway.
No I'm not taking a picture of my W2, that's personal information and I'm not divulging it...especially to someone like you. I don't need to prove anything. Either take my word for it, or don't. I really don't care. I will, however, leave a link for you to check out along with an urge for you to look around and notice just how much of our money is actually taken from us.
Government Will Take Almost Half Your Paycheck in 2013 | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation
I don't believe you, its not personal I just don't trust libertarians
Are you intentionally being dense? "I never claim I was paying 40% " I was making a point about rich folks who do pay 40. Continue to deflect wo.So you file jointly and pay 40% of your 80K despite being in a 25% tax bracket for just the last 8K of your income?
2013 Tax Brackets | Tax Foundation
**** I should be the one complaining I make 55K a year as a single man and I'm paying the same percentage as you guys, although not this year because I was deployed and rode the taxpayer gravy train to the land of free money and not last year because I wasn't making 55K last year.
No actually I make pretty good money. I think we should all contribute to society in some form, unless we revert to the hunter/trapper socitey pretending there is some way no one has to pay taxes is silly. So now that we agree we all need to pay something the really problem becomes to what degree.
So you're all for pushing your views on others through force. Nice to know you favor forcing your morality through goverment power on society.No actually I make pretty good money. I think we should all contribute to society in some form, unless we revert to the hunter/trapper socitey pretending there is some way no one has to pay taxes is silly. So now that we agree we all need to pay something the really problem becomes to what degree.
So you're all for pushing your views on others through force. Nice to know you favor forcing your morality through goverment power on society.
Welcome to life where sometimes to function in an orderly society you have to do things you don't want to.
So you're all for pushing your views on others through force. Nice to know you favor forcing your morality through goverment power on society.
Arrogance? really? What should a buisness have to contribute to our socitety? Is it ever appropriate to cut into the profit margin for some societal good?
So you're all for pushing your views on others through force. Nice to know you favor forcing your morality through goverment power on society.
Welcome to life where sometimes to function in an orderly society you have to do things you don't want to.
What a joke. No, I say we revert to the early settlers time and trap furs and skin bears and not pay no stinkin taxes.
Uhm. Mak, you belive that it is right to make americans pay for other americans food, medical, housing and other needs if the first group has money and the second group does not. Am I correct?
question.Do you think we should just let them starve?
question.
Why are they "starving"? Are there local charity/church groups able to meet thier needs? What about city, county, state resources? Is there a true threat of starvation? What lead to this condition they find themselves in?
Or do those questions not matter to you?
Why can't people just provide all this "help" for the poor voluntarily? Why do we have to mandate it by law?
To quote P.J O'Rourke:
"There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as 'caring' and 'sensitive' because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money--if a gun is held to his head."
Whether people act virtuously isn't as important as making sure that people get their basic needs met. The fact is that not enough people will act virtuously to take care of the poor sufficiently. Many who do help the poor do so with ulterior motives. In the interest of fairness and equality, it is best to have aid to the poor handled through a democratic (representational) process rather than at the whim of the rich and/or at the mercy of (often religious) charity groups (often with ulterior motives).
On real conservative/liberterian sites they often have threads about how much they give to charity. I have never seen that on any other site.
because there exists a scrooge like attitude toward the poor in todays society.
Do you think we should just let them starve?
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