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Welcome to the dark and bitter aftermath of 'Trump Nation'

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Mike Kelly
A few days ago, a supporter of Donald Trump emailed me.

“Just for the record,” she wrote, “you need to stop publishing lies.”

The “lies,” according to the writer, involved the death toll from COVID-19 and, in her mind, this important distinction: When Trump left the White House on Jan. 20, the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic stood at nearly 400,000, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now that tragic number has surpassed 570,000.

Which means that 170,000 Americans have died of complications from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden was sworn in. Which, in the mind of this email writer, is an important point to be made.

“You should have made that distingsion,” she wrote, misspelling “distinction” and adding: “Leave President Trump alone. Focus on the awful job this flesh puppet for the left is doing to our country.” By "flesh puppet," she meant Biden, who seems more like a grandfather. (Small point, I guess.)

Many saw Trump as a chance for change, even some measure of redemption. He promised to "Make America Great Again." If your steel mill just shut down or your coal mining job disappeared, why wouldn't you take a chance on Trump?

You know what happened.

Trump turned out to be an incompetent phony who couldn’t even bring himself to read basic reports from intelligence experts who monitored Russian hackers and terrorists. After Trump bungled the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic — remember his suggestion to inject disinfectant? — and then sulked out of office while spreading all manner of sore-loser lies about a rigged election, the tone of emails from his followers turned increasingly bitter.

Their hero is gone, voted out of office because of his failings, banned from Twitter and Facebook for his falsehoods and exiled to his Florida mansion as he plots a comeback or a court fight. What’s left for many is a narrative of self-proclaimed victimhood fueled by a litany of new hurts and self-perceived scars. As one wrote in trying to criticize Biden: “How about the border crisis or making us energy dependent or kissing China's butt or stifling free speech or destroying opportunities for female athletes or the lack of support for law and order? And let’s not leave out race baiting.”

For a few moments, Trump Nation seemed on the verge of actually focusing attention on something important. Now they seem to be angrily searching for something else.

The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
 
America certainly hasnt left these people behind, its been serving at their pleasure and the people no longer feel the compulsion to serve their every beck and call.
 
Mike Kelly
A few days ago, a supporter of Donald Trump emailed me.

“Just for the record,” she wrote, “you need to stop publishing lies.”

The “lies,” according to the writer, involved the death toll from COVID-19 and, in her mind, this important distinction: When Trump left the White House on Jan. 20, the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic stood at nearly 400,000, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now that tragic number has surpassed 570,000.

Which means that 170,000 Americans have died of complications from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden was sworn in. Which, in the mind of this email writer, is an important point to be made.

“You should have made that distingsion,” she wrote, misspelling “distinction” and adding: “Leave President Trump alone. Focus on the awful job this flesh puppet for the left is doing to our country.” By "flesh puppet," she meant Biden, who seems more like a grandfather. (Small point, I guess.)

Many saw Trump as a chance for change, even some measure of redemption. He promised to "Make America Great Again." If your steel mill just shut down or your coal mining job disappeared, why wouldn't you take a chance on Trump?

You know what happened.

Trump turned out to be an incompetent phony who couldn’t even bring himself to read basic reports from intelligence experts who monitored Russian hackers and terrorists. After Trump bungled the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic — remember his suggestion to inject disinfectant? — and then sulked out of office while spreading all manner of sore-loser lies about a rigged election, the tone of emails from his followers turned increasingly bitter.

Their hero is gone, voted out of office because of his failings, banned from Twitter and Facebook for his falsehoods and exiled to his Florida mansion as he plots a comeback or a court fight. What’s left for many is a narrative of self-proclaimed victimhood fueled by a litany of new hurts and self-perceived scars. As one wrote in trying to criticize Biden: “How about the border crisis or making us energy dependent or kissing China's butt or stifling free speech or destroying opportunities for female athletes or the lack of support for law and order? And let’s not leave out race baiting.”

For a few moments, Trump Nation seemed on the verge of actually focusing attention on something important. Now they seem to be angrily searching for something else.

The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
There is a sucker born every minute should be the motto of the day. I will say that Biden is right though, we need the Govt. to go big again. These people have a legitimate reason to be upset with the state America is in. They just don't have a clue what and who got us here. We need to show them the way back home and it not in an Uber.
 
Thing is that it is not an US phenomenon (or a "Trumpies" phenomenon only) it is a human thing very much present everywhere. Rasism is a beholden opinion to piggyback for these individuals, but what I feel connects them is a never ending and intangible rage.

Since it is so difficult to understand why it is very hard to reach these people. Logic does not apply.
 
Your fear is unfounded unless your fear is that they are as much of America as anyone else. Keep in mind more people voted for Trump than for Hillary last time around by the millions. We only "won" the Senate because we have a tie-breaker Dem VP and, arguably, Trump told GA voters not to vote in the special Senate election that gave seats to the Dems. Keep in mind that the Reps picked up seats in the House. That Trumplicans are afraid of the Trump Cult and the country still leans conservative. Look what it took to get a Dem prez elected. Certainly not the Dem pols. Reps did more both bad, as in a sociopathic prez Trump, and good, as in the Republican Lincoln Project, than the Dems did. Well, except Stacey Abrams, in spite of the Dems. Showin'em how it's done.
 
Your fear is unfounded unless your fear is that they are as much of America as anyone else. Keep in mind more people voted for Trump than for Hillary last time around by the millions. We only "won" the Senate because we have a tie-breaker Dem VP and, arguably, Trump told GA voters not to vote in the special Senate election that gave seats to the Dems. Keep in mind that the Reps picked up seats in the House. That Trumplicans are afraid of the Trump Cult and the country still leans conservative. Look what it took to get a Dem prez elected. Certainly not the Dem pols. Reps did more both bad, as in a sociopathic prez Trump, and good, as in the Republican Lincoln Project, than the Dems did. Well, except Stacey Abrams, in spite of the Dems. Showin'em how it's done.
More people voted for Hillary in 2016, nearly 3 million more and more then 7 million more Americans voted for Biden in 2020. The one term mistake won the electoral college and the election by about 75,000 votes in 3 Blue States. Mr. One and done was the least popular President in polling history and never reached 50% approval in the Gallup poll.
 
Mike Kelly
A few days ago, a supporter of Donald Trump emailed me.

“Just for the record,” she wrote, “you need to stop publishing lies.”

The “lies,” according to the writer, involved the death toll from COVID-19 and, in her mind, this important distinction: When Trump left the White House on Jan. 20, the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic stood at nearly 400,000, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now that tragic number has surpassed 570,000.

Which means that 170,000 Americans have died of complications from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden was sworn in. Which, in the mind of this email writer, is an important point to be made.

“You should have made that distingsion,” she wrote, misspelling “distinction” and adding: “Leave President Trump alone. Focus on the awful job this flesh puppet for the left is doing to our country.” By "flesh puppet," she meant Biden, who seems more like a grandfather. (Small point, I guess.)

Many saw Trump as a chance for change, even some measure of redemption. He promised to "Make America Great Again." If your steel mill just shut down or your coal mining job disappeared, why wouldn't you take a chance on Trump?

You know what happened.

Trump turned out to be an incompetent phony who couldn’t even bring himself to read basic reports from intelligence experts who monitored Russian hackers and terrorists. After Trump bungled the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic — remember his suggestion to inject disinfectant? — and then sulked out of office while spreading all manner of sore-loser lies about a rigged election, the tone of emails from his followers turned increasingly bitter.

Their hero is gone, voted out of office because of his failings, banned from Twitter and Facebook for his falsehoods and exiled to his Florida mansion as he plots a comeback or a court fight. What’s left for many is a narrative of self-proclaimed victimhood fueled by a litany of new hurts and self-perceived scars. As one wrote in trying to criticize Biden: “How about the border crisis or making us energy dependent or kissing China's butt or stifling free speech or destroying opportunities for female athletes or the lack of support for law and order? And let’s not leave out race baiting.”

For a few moments, Trump Nation seemed on the verge of actually focusing attention on something important. Now they seem to be angrily searching for something else.

The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.

every sociaty has an underbelly

ours just grew too large
 
Mike Kelly
A few days ago, a supporter of Donald Trump emailed me.

“Just for the record,” she wrote, “you need to stop publishing lies.”

The “lies,” according to the writer, involved the death toll from COVID-19 and, in her mind, this important distinction: When Trump left the White House on Jan. 20, the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic stood at nearly 400,000, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now that tragic number has surpassed 570,000.

Which means that 170,000 Americans have died of complications from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden was sworn in. Which, in the mind of this email writer, is an important point to be made.

“You should have made that distingsion,” she wrote, misspelling “distinction” and adding: “Leave President Trump alone. Focus on the awful job this flesh puppet for the left is doing to our country.” By "flesh puppet," she meant Biden, who seems more like a grandfather. (Small point, I guess.)

Yup. Sounds like a dumbass Trumpist to me allright.

We've heard the exact same thing here, which is no surprise since they are the first group of people who really are effectively fungible. Ask a question and they all have the same answer. Sometimes it's stolen from Carlson, sometimes Hannity, but much of the time it comes from Fox and every other media outlet owned by the same entity.

We get about 20 DP threads a day repeating last nights' messages from Fox without thought. And sure enough that includes the message "blame Biden for everything COVID related".
 
The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
I agree with everything you said until the above quoted lines. I come from a state where the major industry, wood products, piled corporate debt onto the profitable mills in the state, declared them bankrupt, closed them down left the state with workers pension funds and reopened in Canada, Finland and China. These corporations were aided by federal laws passed by Congressmen who knew the laws would throw workers out of work permanently. In my state thousands of families have been left bankrupt, uninsured, in poverty and in some cases homeless. This happened in states with a basic industry that could be exported or torn apart and sold off in pieces. Nothing was built into the legislation that would have helped any of these families. Susan Collins, our Senator, never said a word about what was happening and never did anything to alleviate families desperate hardships.

These workers, most of them highly skilled were abandoned to the corporate wolves by both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. They were left behind, they were desperate and the only person speaking to them was Trump who used them.
Somehow America needs to make these people feel useful, worthy and part of America ethos again.

These were not the people that took time off from work, flew into DC and invaded the Capitol. I don't know what their problem is.
 
The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
I agree with everything you said until the above quoted lines. I come from a state where the major industry, wood products, piled corporate debt onto the profitable mills in the state, declared them bankrupt, closed them down left the state with workers pension funds and reopened in Canada, Finland and China. These corporations were aided by federal laws passed by Congressmen who knew the laws would throw workers out of work permanently. In my state thousands of families have been left bankrupt, uninsured, in poverty and in some cases homeless. This happened in states with a basic industry that could be exported or torn apart and sold off in pieces. Nothing was built into the legislation that would have helped any of these families. Susan Collins, our Senator, never said a word about what was happening and never did anything to alleviate families desperate hardships.

These workers, most of them highly skilled were abandoned to the corporate wolves by both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. They were left behind, they were desperate and the only person speaking to them was Trump who used them.
Somehow America needs to make these people feel useful, worthy and part of America ethos again.

These were not the people that took time off from work, flew into DC and invaded the Capitol. I don't know what their problem is.
 
The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
I agree with everything you said until the above quoted lines. I come from a state where the major industry, wood products, piled corporate debt onto the profitable mills in the state, declared them bankrupt, closed them down left the state with workers pension funds and reopened in Canada, Finland and China. These corporations were aided by federal laws passed by Congressmen who knew the laws would throw workers out of work permanently. In my state thousands of families have been left bankrupt, uninsured, in poverty and in some cases homeless. This happened in states with a basic industry that could be exported or torn apart and sold off in pieces. Nothing was built into the legislation that would have helped any of these families. Susan Collins, our Senator, never said a word about what was happening and never did anything to alleviate families desperate hardships.

These workers, most of them highly skilled were abandoned to the corporate wolves by both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. They were left behind, they were desperate and the only person speaking to them was Trump who used them.
Somehow America needs to make these people feel useful, worthy and part of America ethos again.

These were not the people that took time off from work, flew into DC and invaded the Capitol. I don't know what their problem is.
 
There is a sucker born every minute should be the motto of the day. I will say that Biden is right though, we need the Govt. to go big again. These people have a legitimate reason to be upset with the state America is in. They just don't have a clue what and who got us here. We need to show them the way back home and it not in an Uber.
When did the govt ever go small?
 
When did the govt ever go small?
We have been skimping on needed infrastructure, public transportation and anything needed for us to compete in the 21st century for decades. We have been fighting hopeless wars and cutting taxes instead and expecting corporate America to take up the slack. They have padded their bank accounts with the extra money instead. It is time to change course before it is too late. Maybe it is but Americans do not give up.
 
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If Trump's utter unwillingness to do any work as President the second he lost the election doesn't prove to Trump fans that he only cared about the Job when it benefited him personally nothing will.
 
I agree with everything you said until the above quoted lines.
Mike Kelly as per the link in the OP, wrote those lines, but thanks anyways, I will gladly accept the honor of having those lines attributed to me ;)
 
That's what happens when you elect a TV personality. He already had fanboys, and he just got a lot more. It doesn't matter what the GOP stands for, it's all about their star of the show says are his personal ideals. I've seen people with pictures of Trump in their houses like people do in North Korea, but here they do it out of loyalty to their TV star. I have no idea what the GOP will do with this phenomenon but it will be entertaining to watch it now that their is sanity in the WH.

It's the left vs Trump. The right has left the building...and are getting booed off stage. I don't know what those poor sob's are gonna do now. Lots of luck!
 
Mike Kelly
A few days ago, a supporter of Donald Trump emailed me.

“Just for the record,” she wrote, “you need to stop publishing lies.”

The “lies,” according to the writer, involved the death toll from COVID-19 and, in her mind, this important distinction: When Trump left the White House on Jan. 20, the U.S. death toll from the coronavirus pandemic stood at nearly 400,000, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now that tragic number has surpassed 570,000.

Which means that 170,000 Americans have died of complications from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden was sworn in. Which, in the mind of this email writer, is an important point to be made.

“You should have made that distingsion,” she wrote, misspelling “distinction” and adding: “Leave President Trump alone. Focus on the awful job this flesh puppet for the left is doing to our country.” By "flesh puppet," she meant Biden, who seems more like a grandfather. (Small point, I guess.)

Many saw Trump as a chance for change, even some measure of redemption. He promised to "Make America Great Again." If your steel mill just shut down or your coal mining job disappeared, why wouldn't you take a chance on Trump?

You know what happened.

Trump turned out to be an incompetent phony who couldn’t even bring himself to read basic reports from intelligence experts who monitored Russian hackers and terrorists. After Trump bungled the federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic — remember his suggestion to inject disinfectant? — and then sulked out of office while spreading all manner of sore-loser lies about a rigged election, the tone of emails from his followers turned increasingly bitter.

Their hero is gone, voted out of office because of his failings, banned from Twitter and Facebook for his falsehoods and exiled to his Florida mansion as he plots a comeback or a court fight. What’s left for many is a narrative of self-proclaimed victimhood fueled by a litany of new hurts and self-perceived scars. As one wrote in trying to criticize Biden: “How about the border crisis or making us energy dependent or kissing China's butt or stifling free speech or destroying opportunities for female athletes or the lack of support for law and order? And let’s not leave out race baiting.”

For a few moments, Trump Nation seemed on the verge of actually focusing attention on something important. Now they seem to be angrily searching for something else.

The truth is that America hasn’t left them behind.

I fear they have left America.
Look, let's be real. Joe Biden is the President now. Joe Biden told us he would fix our problems. Now Joe's biggest action is blaming Trump on all the problems he can't deal with. It's 100 days of Joe Biden and his best accomplishment is in Covid Vaccines. However, Trump got the vaccines manufactured, not Joe Biden. Joe is building on what Donald Trump created. Joe needs to recognize the good things from the Trump administration, like the vaccine and border control which is a total disaster under Joe.
 
........ Joe is building on what Donald Trump created. Joe needs to recognize the good things from the Trump administration, like the vaccine and border control which is a total disaster under Joe.
Forbes says Trump cannot take credit for vaccines and neither can Biden.

Trump built some fences at the border. Some fell down in a wind. Some are being scaled with ladders. Some are being walked around. Trump separated families at the border. Some kids got lost. Some parent got lost. Some kids died. Trump closed the vehicle crossings. Some trucks got delayed. Some produce rotted down. Some business executives got mad. Trump re-opened the vehicle crossings, but he closed the offices dealing with refugees seeking asylum. If that's border control then yes Trump controlled the border.
 
Confederates and idiots and white supremacists and Q and The Cult.



Send them all back to high school.
Right you are, the things you describe is the current gop and yet they wonder why trump lost. Hilarious. Even better, they of course didn't learn and are still riding the crazy train.
 
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