We Want to Do the Right Thing

[LowDown]

In his recent press conference the President attempted to explain why he can't get Republicans to do what he wants:

I cannot force Republicans to embrace those common-sense solutions. I can urge them to. I can put pressure on them. I can, you know, rally the American people around those common-sense solutions, but, ultimately, they themselves are going to have to say ‘We want to do the right thing'.

Of course, Republicans say that every day, and they walk the walk, too, which is why they won't go along with Obama's agenda.

The way to get Republicans to do what you want is to find out what they are willing to support and embrace it.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

So we should just do what the Republicans what? That doesn't seem to be the best solution.

In his recent press conference the President attempted to explain why he can't get Republicans to do what he wants:



Of course, Republicans say that every day, and they walk the walk, too, which is why they won't go along with Obama's agenda.

The way to get Republicans to do what you want is to find out what they are willing to support and embrace it.

 

[Paschendale]

Except that the things they are willing to support are dangerous, destructive, and sometimes downright evil.

And, of course, the same advice applies in reverse. Republicans can actually accomplish something by embracing the things that Democrats will support. But that means they wouldn't be walking the walk, right?

 

[Fenton]

So we should just do what the Republicans what? That doesn't seem to be the best solution.

As opposed to our current solutions ?

Theyr'e working out GREAT.....just Fantastic..

Honestly, Obama's agenda is to buy votes, and that is better accomplished with a growing dependent class, and a shrinking private sector.

Which we currently have

 

[Fisher]

I wouldn't call passing 2,000 page legislation nobody who is voting on it has read necessarily the "common sense" thing to be doing, but whatever. His red line game changing moment in Syria apparently just meant that something has changed, not that we are going to do anything about it is the other take away from his press conference.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Buy votes for what? His third term?

The current problem being what exactly? That Obama isn't doing everything the Republicans want, so they just filibuster everything he does? I agree, that's not working.

As opposed to our current solutions ?

Theyr'e working out GREAT.....just Fantastic..

Honestly, Obama's agenda is to buy votes, and that is better accomplished with a growing dependent class, and a shrinking private sector.

Which we currently have

 

[Fenton]

Except that the things they are willing to support are dangerous, destructive,
and sometimes downright evil.

And, of course, the same advice applies in reverse. Republicans can actually accomplish something by embracing the things that Democrats will support. But that means they wouldn't be walking the walk, right?

Evil, is weighing down the private sector with threats, higher taxes and arbitrary cost, and ignoring the people that are chronically unemployed.

 

[Fenton]

Buy votes for what? His third term?


The current problem being what exactly? That Obama isn't doing everything the Republicans want, so they just filibuster everything he does? I agree, that's not working.

There is this thing called midterms, and it's yes, his " third term".

 

[rocket88]

The way to get Republicans to do what you want is to find out what they are willing to support and embrace it.

Yes, of course it would be easier for Obama if he were a Republican. For now, I'm going to go ahead and make the radical assumption that's not going to happen. It would also be easier for him if all the Republicans became Democrats. I'm also going to make the radical assumption that's not going to happen either.

Democrats are Democrats, Republicans are Republicans. But nothing gets done. Not just on this bill, and I'm not going to play the "bad Republicans" game. But assuming that one party doesn't totally change what they want, the government is not working. The American people in their wisdom voted in a mixed government, and they have to find ways to work together

 

[Jetboogieman]

The people I respect the most... are the people that finally figure out neither party wants to do the right thing.

Anyone who buys into the idea that the democrats are the good guys and the republicans are the bad guys... and vice versa are fools.

 

[What if...?]

Evil, is weighing down the private sector with threats, higher taxes and arbitrary cost, and ignoring the people that are chronically unemployed.

So if we eliminate uncertainty, and the risk it carries with it, can we raise the capital gains tax to equal income taxes?

Seeins how the justification for low capital gains taxes is the risk (uncertainty) involved?

You have no idea how tired I am of think tank developed "frames".

They make it nigh unto impossible to have constructive conversations.

Of course, that IS what they are designed to do.

Create tidy walls around peoples thought processes.

Cognitive neuroscience at work.

 

[LowDown]

So we should just do what the Republicans what? That doesn't seem to be the best solution.

Not unless you can think of a better way to get them to vote for something. Obviously, it would be something you want, too.

 

[LowDown]

Except that the things they are willing to support are dangerous, destructive, and sometimes downright evil.

What ignorant arrogance. And you expect them to cooperate with the likes of you.

 

[LowDown]

Yes, of course it would be easier for Obama if he were a Republican. For now, I'm going to go ahead and make the radical assumption that's not going to happen. It would also be easier for him if all the Republicans became Democrats. I'm also going to make the radical assumption that's not going to happen either.

Democrats are Democrats, Republicans are Republicans. But nothing gets done. Not just on this bill, and I'm not going to play the "bad Republicans" game. But assuming that one party doesn't totally change what they want, the government is not working. The American people in their wisdom voted in a mixed government, and they have to find ways to work together

I didn't think I'd ever say it, but I really miss Clinton now. He had a knack for working deals and bargains and was able to get a lot of what he wanted by giving the Republicans some of what they wanted. The current POTUS just keeps everything polarized, demonizing the opposition, blaming the opposition, complaining about the opposition, taking positions that the Republican can't possibly support, leading by bad example, as it were.

If the President wins in the mid terms he will have the same problems he had in his first 2 years -- many of the Democrats are not far enough to the left to go along with him.

 

[ocean515]

Except that the things they are willing to support are dangerous, destructive, and sometimes downright evil.

And, of course, the same advice applies in reverse. Republicans can actually accomplish something by embracing the things that Democrats will support. But that means they wouldn't be walking the walk, right?

Except that the things Democrats are willing to support are dangerous, destructive, and sometimes downright evil...

 

[fmw]

Buy votes for what? His third term?

No, democratic congressmen.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Meaning he is trying to support his Democratic party? Everyone is trying to do that, hence the stalemate. It's not just an Obama thing.

No, democratic congressmen.

 

[polgara]

Out for a while to do some gardening. :2wave:

Back later. Be well.

 

[rocket88]

I didn't think I'd ever say it, but I really miss Clinton now. He had a knack for working deals and bargains and was able to get a lot of what he wanted by giving the Republicans some of what they wanted. The current POTUS just keeps everything polarized, demonizing the opposition, blaming the opposition, complaining about the opposition, taking positions that the Republican can't possibly support, leading by bad example, as it were.

If the President wins in the mid terms he will have the same problems he had in his first 2 years -- many of the Democrats are not far enough to the left to go along with him.

Absolutely, Clinton was great at working it. 200 times better at that than Obama. He's made a mess of negotiating. I think Obama has taken positions that the Republicans might have been willing to compromise to. The problem is that he starts with that, which means the Repubs want to go further right. For example - Obamacare. He started with the individual mandate. I think many Repubs would have been willing to take that as a compromise, it was a position many had taken in the past (John McCain to name one).

 

[fmw]

Meaning he is trying to support his Democratic party? Everyone is trying to do that, hence the stalemate. It's not just an Obama thing.

And who said it was?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Fenton's implication was that Obama's agenda was to buy vote. I was merely pointing out that buying votes was everyone's agenda, both Democratic and Republican.

And who said it was?

 

[Paschendale]

What ignorant arrogance. And you expect them to cooperate with the likes of you.

No, I really don't. At this point, I expect them to keep stamping their feet and lose elections by a wider and wider margin. I expect them to refuse to cooperate until they are completely marginalized because they only represent the interests of a small fraction of the population. That's what they've been doing for a while now.

 

[Fenton]

So if we eliminate uncertainty, and the risk
it carries with it, can we raise the capital gains tax to equal income taxes?

Seeins how the justification for low capital gains taxes is the risk (uncertainty) involved?

You have no idea how tired I am of think tank developed "frames".

They make it nigh unto impossible to have constructive conversations.

Of course, that IS what they are designed to do.

Create tidy walls around peoples thought processes.

Cognitive neuroscience at work.

Think tank frames ? Look, when it comes to substantial issues like peoples lively-hoods, outside the box thinking leads to the current economic issues. Massive debt, rising poverty and chronic joblesness.

There is data upon data that proves lowering capital gains taxes results in increased private investments and increased revenues.

Tear down the walls of creative initiatives, where a mistake just leads to a wasted oil based paint on a canvass, not historically backed economic concepts that can lead to human suffering and long term dependence.

 

[Fenton]

Buy votes for what? His third term?

The current problem being what exactly? That Obama isn't doing everything the Republicans want, so they just filibuster everything he does? I agree, that's not working.

What filibuster specifically ? And if you mean they're not lining up behind every nonsensical left wing idea that Obama and his tards in CONGRESS come up with then yes, that's why we elected them.

You guys had two years. From that we got a stimulus that didn't stimulate anything except more Government debt, and a Health Care Law that even the Democrats are now saying will be a train wreck.

Sorry buddy, we trusted your guys at the helm for two years, and they ran us into a iceberg. You keep polishing the banisters and straightening the paintings on the wall, and I'll take the next freighter out of here.

 

[Fenton]

No, I really don't. At this point, I expect them to keep stamping their feet and lose elections by a wider and wider margin. I expect them to refuse to cooperate until they are completely marginalized because they only represent the interests of a small fraction of the population. That's what they've been doing for a while now.

There is no greater marginalization of a political party than our current economic conditions and that's solely attributed to the Democrats.