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So, how about we discuss this aspect of abortion that I've never seen before. See if we can be civil with our comments and actually debate this. Here goes:
"As the first legal document proclaimed (Declaration of Independence) All men are CREATED EQUAL with certain unalienable rights. Created......not born. Creation begins at conception. Life is not defined by breeching the magical female vagina."
Based on this statement, whether a woman has a right to choose or that a child might be born into poverty or any other reason that abortion supporters may have, how does this statement hit you? It did me. Right between the eyes. Whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester makes no difference. The child in the womb has rights to be born and protected. Not because it hasn't taken a breath to be equal with everyone who breathes. But, because they are created at conception and have rights.
Thanks for your response. It's one with logic and reason and not emotions. That's what I'm looking for. Won't last long I'm sure.If the fetus has rights from conception, then why can't a woman claim a fetus, that was miscarried, as a dependent for taxes? If that fetus has rights from conception, than it would legally be a person able to be a dependent. It isn't, so your whole premise is INCORRECT with the law.
Equal under the lawSo, how about we discuss this aspect of abortion that I've never seen before. See if we can be civil with our comments and actually debate this. Here goes:
"As the first legal document proclaimed (Declaration of Independence) All men are CREATED EQUAL with certain unalienable rights. Created......not born. Creation begins at conception. Life is not defined by breeching the magical female vagina."
Based on this statement, whether a woman has a right to choose or that a child might be born into poverty or any other reason that abortion supporters may have, how does this statement hit you? It did me. Right between the eyes. Whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester makes no difference. The child in the womb has rights to be born and protected. Not because it hasn't taken a breath to be equal with everyone who breathes. But, because they are created at conception and have rights.
Thanks for your response. It's one with logic and reason and not emotions. That's what I'm looking for. Won't last long I'm sure.
I would respond that because there are no laws today that would cover taxes doesn't mean that in the future this could be made a tax law. So, the premise would still be correct. Also, the rights debated in the abortion issue have nothing to do with tax law but with the Bill of Rights and the right to live. Looking forward to your response.
Did you forget about the women's rights movement, 1848-1917? As originally written only male fetuses had those unalienable rights.All men are CREATED EQUAL with certain unalienable rights.
So you agree that not all men (women) are created equal?The declaration of independence is not a governing document.
And, that was taken care of, wasn't it. So, we can also take care of the unborn now. It's never too late as the women's movement showed.Did you forget about the women's rights movement, 1848-1917? As originally written only male fetuses had those unalienable rights.
Your post makes me wonder what is being taught in schools today.So, how about we discuss this aspect of abortion that I've never seen before. See if we can be civil with our comments and actually debate this. Here goes:
"As the first legal document proclaimed (Declaration of Independence) All men are CREATED EQUAL with certain unalienable rights. Created......not born. Creation begins at conception. Life is not defined by breeching the magical female vagina."
Based on this statement, whether a woman has a right to choose or that a child might be born into poverty or any other reason that abortion supporters may have, how does this statement hit you? It did me. Right between the eyes. Whether 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester makes no difference. The child in the womb has rights to be born and protected. Not because it hasn't taken a breath to be equal with everyone who breathes. But, because they are created at conception and have rights.
And, that was eventually taken care of by a constitutional amendment and congressional laws. So, giving the unborn equality to have a right to life can now be written into law. Instead, Chucky (the killer) wants to not give them any rights even though creation begins at conception if all are equal.The phrase "All men are created equal" sure didn't apply to blacks and women did it?
Laws can be written now then.Equal under the law
So you agree that not all men (women) are created equal?
I see you've stopped by Twitter.One good byproduct of this SCOTUS leak is we have WOMEN again. Not just "they" or "birthing person". That's progress.
No. Because women are still fighting for autonomy of their bodies.And, that was taken care of, wasn't it.
Dude doesn't believe women are people. He thinks they're appliances.No. Because women are still fighting for autonomy of their bodies.
Women are Co-Creators, not the Creator mentioned in the D of I. All men and women are created equal is the key to when life begins. The creation of an individual is at conception. Therefore, at that point of creation is where rights begin. The right to protection of their lives by the government.Your post makes me wonder what is being taught in schools today.
No man has a sovereign right to rule over another or others, or sovereignty begins with each individual, is more or less how I was taught the meaning of the Declaration of Independence nearly 75 years ago by an elderly Woman teacher who had only recently gained some equality with her male counterparts.
But if you wish to go down that path, the second paragraph, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,...", which the Woman performs the role of "Creator" should be seen as the source from which said "Rights" are "endowed", or NOT.
I'm not on Twitter yet but I've been thinking I should sign up now.I see you've stopped by Twitter.
They don't have the right to the autonomy of the created within them. Creation is at conception where the rights of the created begin. Women have autonomy of their bodies up to the time of creation of their baby. Creation has nothing to do with when the baby takes its first breath. This is what is so intreguing about this statement I posted. Women give up autonomy by their sexual actions. So, the answer is Yes.No. Because women are still fighting for autonomy of their bodies.
Explain, then, why some states have written trigger laws preventing abortion with no exceptions which means even to save the life of the mother. If both have equal rights why can the state mandate that the mother can die in order to allow the child to be born. And since, with the exception of trans men, no men are capable of having a child, they have even greater rights than either the woman or the child since they have no chance of dying due to a life-threatening pregnancy or difficult delivery.Women are Co-Creators, not the Creator mentioned in the D of I. All men and women are created equal is the key to when life begins. The creation of an individual is at conception. Therefore, at that point of creation is where rights begin. The right to protection of their lives by the government.
They don't have the right to the autonomy of the created within them. Creation is at conception where the rights of the created begin. Women have autonomy of their bodies up to the time of creation of their baby. Creation has nothing to do with when the baby takes its first breath. This is what is so intreguing about this statement I posted. Women give up autonomy by their sexual actions. So, the answer is Yes.
Men make a contribution to the creation which is then carried to term by the Woman. I don't believe the D of I refers to any one creator. Creation begins at conception, with a live sperm and a live egg, and an individual life begins post birth, at which time the new born citizen becomes entitled to government protection Rights.Women are Co-Creators, not the Creator mentioned in the D of I. All men and women are created equal is the key to when life begins. The creation of an individual is at conception. Therefore, at that point of creation is where rights begin. The right to protection of their lives by the government.
Trans men or not do not have the ability to become pregnant. They can put an object inside the surgically that is an embryo. But, that is not becoming pregnant. To get the baby out, they have to do a C-section and never will be able to deliver naturally. Leave this out of the abortion question because abortion activists are only concerned with women's rights to abortion. You are trying to convolute the debate for your pleasure. So, back to the important part of your question:Explain, then, why some states have written trigger laws preventing abortion with no exceptions which means even to save the life of the mother. If both have equal rights why can the state mandate that the mother can die in order to allow the child to be born. And since, with the exception of trans men, no men are capable of having a child, they have even greater rights than either the woman or the child since they have no chance of dying due to a life-threatening pregnancy or difficult delivery.
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