Washington Times: Hillary beginning to worry Democrats

[cpwill]

The Democrats can run, to paraphrase Muhammad Ali’s rebuke of a timid opponent, but they can’t hide. Hillary Clinton is turning her campaign into a game of hide-and-seek, and the party is terrified. Some leading Democrats are beginning to say out loud what they have said privately for weeks...

The rebukes are still softly stated, but there’s power in understatement. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California says it would be “very helpful” if she took a stand on the trans-Pacific trade agreement, which President Obama is trying hard to push through Congress. If he makes it the credit will go to free-trade Republicans. Democrats beholden to the labor unions — which is most of them — threaten to deprive the president of a majority of his own Democrats....

David Ignatius of The Washington Post says her silence on the trade debate in the Congress is “deeply troubling,” which is softspeak for “bad.” Jonathan Martin of The New York Times says her silence is “deafening,” and Robert Gates, the former secretary of defense and before that director of the CIA, says the silence is “a concern” and “a risky way to do business.”...

Some of Hillary’s friends are saying — out loud — that she’s making the same mistakes she made in 2008. Her sole strength has been the illusion that she was unstoppable, and it’s on this illusion that her campaign is based — just as it was four years ago. Illusions are the stuff of dreams, not hard reality. Better to avoid taking a stand on substance; the election is more than a year-and-a-half away, plenty of time to change unfashionable convictions, to trade in principles for the newer model...

But Hillary makes changing convictions look as easy as changing her socks. She has already changed her words to match the music of the left on immigration, gay marriage, criminal-justice reform and her ties to Wall Street. Such changes, says Colin Reed, director of the America Rising Political Action Committee, “reinforced all her worst attributes as a candidate and hurt her image among voters of all stripes. [Liberal] voters know that she’s not truly one of them.” Independent voters, on the other hand, “see a desperate politician staking out far-left positions that are outside the mainstream of most Americans.”...

Hillary is (apparently) responding to this.... by hiding from the press. Sometimes by taking off at 95 miles an hour.

 

[MMC]

It just got worse for her today CPW. She wont be able to hide nor run. NY Times is tearing her up. Vice News over her emails.....and the State Dept waiting until January.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-el...-s-personal-email-account.html#post1064636997

Then, there is more with another account and email.

 

[haymarket]

As a person who has worked in government and for Democrats I can tell you that there are significant numbers of Democratic politicos who are not at all happy with the idea of Clinton simply taking the nomination by lack of anyone caring to stop her. The big problem right now is the absence of any alternative to go to.

 

[MMC]

As a person who has worked in government and for Democrats I can tell you that there are significant numbers of Democratic politicos who are not at all happy with the idea of Clinton simply taking the nomination by lack of anyone caring to stop her. The big problem right now is the absence of any alternative to go to.

I think they are going to need to find another.....Word was that they were talking to Duval Patrick Former Gov of Massachusetts. Not to mention Jerry Brown.

 

[haymarket]

I think they are going to need to find another.....Word was that they were talking to Duval Patrick Former Gov of Massachusetts. Not to mention Jerry Brown.

Neither is a rational nor electable alternative. The sad reality is that even with the dissatisfaction with Clinton in the party - the feeling still is that she could most likely beat any Republican they put up with the possible exception of Walker who would make it a 50/50 proposition. But the excitement for a Clinton presidency is simply not there and people would like to avoid that.

 

[MMC]

Neither is a rational nor electable alternative. The sad reality is that even with the dissatisfaction with Clinton in the party - the feeling still is that she could most likely beat any Republican they put up with the possible exception of Walker who would make it a 50/50 proposition. But the excitement for a Clinton presidency is simply not there and people would like to avoid that.

That all changed once Kasich decided he is in. He takes Rubio as VP. Or even vice versa. Its a done deal and the Demos lose Florida and Ohio. They can start listening for the Fat lady to Sing. Just sayin. No, not Hillary.

 

[US Conservative]

I think they are going to need to find another.....Word was that they were talking to Duval Patrick Former Gov of Massachusetts. Not to mention Jerry Brown.

Perhaps they will just come all the way out of the closet and fully support Bernie Sanders.

 

[MMC]

Perhaps they will just come all the way out of the closet and fully support Bernie Sanders.

Nah, the Progs think they are suppose to be doing the thinking for others. Ouiji like. But then if that's all they have. Oh well. :lol:

 

[haymarket]

That all changed once Kasich decided he is in. He takes Rubio as VP. Or even vice versa. Its a done deal and the Demos lose Florida and Ohio. They can start listening for the Fat lady to Sing. Just sayin. No, not Hillary.

I would not give Kasich any more than a 15 to 1 chance of getting the nomination. He simply will be a non-factor.

 

[haymarket]

Perhaps they will just come all the way out of the closet and fully support Bernie Sanders.

Nor is Sanders the answer despite the fact he is perhaps the best Senator in the entire Congress. But he would be another McGovern type candidacy and that is not going to happen.

 

[MMC]

I would not give Kasich any more than a 15 to 1 chance of getting the nomination. He simply will be a non-factor.

We will see. He had both Repubs and Demos going in with his Constitutional Amendment with a Budget.

As for GOP donors he knows what he is up against with the Bush and the Donor game.

 

[ARTHUR 1976]

All Hillary has to do is put Warren as VP, and it's a done deal, I don't see anything from the clowns on the right who are constantly stumbling over the Iraq war question:lamo.

The demographics are clearly on the DEMS side everybody knows the base comes out in droves on election day, remember 2012?? and folks of color are NO WAY IN HELL gonna support a pro white party you know that BS ain't gonna fly..

 

[akrunner88]

Hillary is not my first, second, or fifth choice. I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the general election, but I sure as hell won't cast a primary vote for her.

 

[Kurmugeon]

As a person who has worked in government and for Democrats I can tell you that there are significant numbers of Democratic politicos who are not at all happy with the idea of Clinton simply taking the nomination by lack of anyone caring to stop her. The big problem right now is the absence of any alternative to go to.

Hillary isn't the candidate that should worry the Republicans, she is so stained, old, and baggage laden, if they cannot find a candidate who can beat her, they're hopeless.

The Democratic Candidate to watch for is Jim Webb. If he were to VP select Bernie Sanders, the duo would be nigh unstoppable.

Jim Webb can re-invigorate and turn out the Low-Mid Income Working White Vote, like no other Democrat on the field.

Backed by the hopeful far Left socialists support with the hopes of Bernie Sanders follow on in the next cycle, the Republicans would be hard pressed to win with anything seen so far. Maybe if Rand Paul were to pick a strong TEA Patriot VP... Maybe.

Hillary is toast. She has alienated not only the Low-Mid Income Working Whites, she's pissed off the Native Born Hispanics, with the open backing of Obama's Executive Amnesty+++. Hell, she's lost allot of Black Support with the Illegals move. No working American needs the jobs lost to a flood of Illegals.

Doubling down on support for Illegals was as bone-headed as it gets.

If the Dems waste their shot with Hillary, so much the better.

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[justabubba]

Nor is Sanders the answer despite the fact he is perhaps the best Senator in the entire Congress. But he would be another McGovern type candidacy and that is not going to happen.

this is the type of thinking i don't understand

we recognize Bernie Sanders is the one person running who speaks the truth and is really interested in helping the average citizen
and then we insist such desirable qualities make him unelectable

and i thought it was the dubya supporting republicans from the sticks who voted against their personal interests

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Hillary is not my first, second, or fifth choice. I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the general election, but I sure as hell won't cast a primary vote for her.

There will be several other candidates coming in before the end of this year. Let the primary process play itself out.

 

[Kurmugeon]

this is the type of thinking i don't understand

we recognize Bernie Sanders is the one person running who speaks the truth and is really interested in helping the average citizen
and then we insist such desirable qualities make him unelectable

and i thought it was the dubya supporting republicans from the sticks who voted against their personal interests

Sanders is too Socialist and Kooky to motivate the white working class vote, which is the demographic being lost from the Democrats.

Jim Webb can get the Pragmatic Working White Vote in a way that Sanders can't touch.

Neither will invigorate the 85%+ of the Black Vote that ALWAYS goes Democratic, but then, what are they going to do? Vote for the Republican?

The Black vote can be easily taken for granted. If some percentage doesn't like Jib Webb's message of aid for the White-Poor, tough, they've got no were else to go, after years and years of Demonizing the "Racist" Republicans, and Spitting Curses for the last 6 years at the TEA Patriots.

If a portion of the Black votes stays home... so what, they come from districts that are self-Segregated into majority Black Districts, so that those areas will ALWAYS go Blue regardless of turnout. If its low turn out, but still blue, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

The Black Vote can be taken for granted, and ignored. Demographically, the Black vote is either Locked-in and/or Worthless.

EARNING the Working White vote will pay off in votes in swing districts of swing states, which are the key to victory. The working white vote is HUGE and in split districts which can cause a district Flip to blue, and has far more value than any other demographic.

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[US Conservative]

Hillary isn't the candidate that should worry the Republicans, she is so stained, old, and baggage laden, if they cannot find a candidate who can beat her, they're hopeless.

The Democratic Candidate to watch for is Jim Webb. If he were to VP select Bernie Sanders, the duo would be nigh unstoppable.

Jim Webb can re-invigorate and turn out the Low-Mid Income Working White Vote, like no other Democrat on the field.

Backed by the hopeful far Left socialists support with the hopes of Bernie Sanders follow on in the next cycle, the Republicans would be hard pressed to win with anything seen so far. Maybe if Rand Paul were to pick a strong TEA Patriot VP... Maybe.

Hillary is toast. She has alienated not only the Low-Mid Income Working Whites, she's pissed off the Native Born Hispanics, with the open backing of Obama's Executive Amnesty+++. Hell, she's lost allot of Black Support with the Illegals move. No working American needs the jobs lost to a flood of Illegals.

Doubling down on support for Illegals was as bone-headed as it gets.

If the Dems waste their shot with Hillary, so much the better.

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Hillary has flip flopped "evolved" quite a bit, on things like Iraq, amnesty, gay marriage, etc. She will try to make things as meticulous and scripted as she can. Frankly, Im more worried about a dark horse candidate.

Its early enough that Hillary could falter and be replaced with a more viable candidate.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Hillary has flip flopped "evolved" quite a bit, on things like Iraq, amnesty, gay marriage, etc. She will try to make things as meticulous and scripted as she can. Frankly, Im more worried about a dark horse candidate.

Its early enough that Hillary could falter and be replaced with a more viable candidate.

Let's Hope Not! Good thing I'm a Registered Democrat! Go Hillary!

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[US Conservative]

Let's Hope Not! Good thing I'm a Registered Democrat! Go Hillary!

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Perhaps its time for another operation chaos. :lol:

 

[haymarket]

Hillary isn't the candidate that should worry the Republicans, she is so stained, old, and baggage laden, if they cannot find a candidate who can beat her, they're hopeless.

The Democratic Candidate to watch for is Jim Webb. If he were to VP select Bernie Sanders, the duo would be nigh unstoppable.

Jim Webb can re-invigorate and turn out the Low-Mid Income Working White Vote, like no other Democrat on the field.

Backed by the hopeful far Left socialists support with the hopes of Bernie Sanders follow on in the next cycle, the Republicans would be hard pressed to win with anything seen so far. Maybe if Rand Paul were to pick a strong TEA Patriot VP... Maybe.

Hillary is toast. She has alienated not only the Low-Mid Income Working Whites, she's pissed off the Native Born Hispanics, with the open backing of Obama's Executive Amnesty+++. Hell, she's lost allot of Black Support with the Illegals move. No working American needs the jobs lost to a flood of Illegals.

Doubling down on support for Illegals was as bone-headed as it gets.

If the Dems waste their shot with Hillary, so much the better.

-

Interesting choice. Lets see if Webb steps up to the plate. I too suspect he would be a strong candidate.

 

[haymarket]

this is the type of thinking i don't understand

we recognize Bernie Sanders is the one person running who speaks the truth and is really interested in helping the average citizen
and then we insist such desirable qualities make him unelectable

and i thought it was the dubya supporting republicans from the sticks who voted against their personal interests

In 1972 I was a year out of college and elected as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Miami for George McGovern after being in charge of the congressional district campaign for him in the Michigan primary. I returned to Michigan and watched as the leaders and backbone of the party basically sat on their hands for the next several months and did precious little to elect him deciding that it was more important for them to keep control of the party apparatus rather then risk relinquishing their positions to younger people who were at the center of the McGovern effort. I watched as the label of a leftist extremist was given to him - much like what hat happened to Goldwater but on the right just 8 years earlier. Both men suffered brutal landslide defeats which hurt their ticket across the nation.

This convinced me that any candidate must come more or less from the center or risk such marginalization and demonization and destruction.

Because Sanders has run as a Socialist - he would suffer that same demonization and that same fate. And I do NOT want to see that happen.

 

[fmw]

It's too bad. My guess is that the next president will be a republican. All that work flushing gridlock in government down the toilet. What a shame. Hopefully things will get gridlocked again in 2020 or maybe even 2018.

 

[Renae]

Hillary is (apparently) responding to this.... by hiding from the press. Sometimes by taking off at 95 miles an hour.

Finally Dems can catch up top reality, we've been concerned about that woman since 1992

 

[justabubba]

In 1972 I was a year out of college and elected as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Miami for George McGovern after being in charge of the congressional district campaign for him in the Michigan primary. I returned to Michigan and watched as the leaders and backbone of the party basically sat on their hands for the next several months and did precious little to elect him deciding that it was more important for them to keep control of the party apparatus rather then risk relinquishing their positions to younger people who were at the center of the McGovern effort. I watched as the label of a leftist extremist was given to him - much like what hat happened to Goldwater but on the right just 8 years earlier. Both men suffered brutal landslide defeats which hurt their ticket across the nation.

This convinced me that any candidate must come more or less from the center or risk such marginalization and demonization and destruction.

Because Sanders has run as a Socialist - he would suffer that same demonization and that same fate. And I do NOT want to see that happen.

in '72 there was a schism between those who advocated for the vietnam war and those who did not. and mcgovern was THE anti-war candidate
the country was polarized at that time; for most, one was either pro-war or anti-war and there was no way a pro-war voter was going to vote for mcgovern

today's discourse is much different. today it is about how much government should be involved in our lives. to the democrats - and Bernie Sanders - this is a pocketbook issue. to those on the right, it is a bedroom issue
Bernie wants citizens united overturned. he recognizes how important it is that our government is no longer for sale to those with the most money. explaining to the public that the top 1% of our population owns 40% of the nation's wealth is something that will resonate with the voters. more so when they learn that the same 1% realized 95% of the wealth generated since the great recession. that bottom 80% that owns only 15% of the country's riches, but is expending the labor for the wealth that is generated, will vote for their personal interest. IF there is someone to explain it to them. this alone explains why many are trying to draft a reluctant Elizabeth Warren. like Bernie, she is willing and able to communicate this wealth disparity, and wants to take steps to more equitably share the riches available
i believe our nation, after experiencing the pain of the recent recession, is ready to hear someone explain to them that the game is rigged and that there is someone willing to fix it
hillary is NOT that person