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Was this the most complex military plan in history as Hegseth says?

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I suspect that Hegseth either knows nothing about military history or like usual he was just lying. In WWII there was a military operation called Overlord or as many know it the invasion of Normandy. THis plan not only included thousands of ships crossing the channel in order, but thousands of airplanes bombing targets and dropping both paratroopers and guiders in areas as required by the plan and 196000 thousand military. All of this had to be kept secret from the Germans including several elaborate plans to fool the German's as to where the invasion would take place. An entire fake army was created as well as others. It was so well planned that even after the invasion started, Hitler and many of the German military brass continued to think that Normandy was just a feint to draw German troops away from the real invasion point. So I can say that the bombing of Iran was well done, but it was not the most complex plan ever.
 
WisconIndependent said:
I suspect that Hegseth either knows nothing about military history or like usual he was just lying. In WWII there was a military operation called Overlord or as many know it the invasion of Normandy. THis plan not only included thousands of ships crossing the channel in order, but thousands of airplanes bombing targets and dropping both paratroopers and guiders in areas as required by the plan and 196000 thousand military. All of this had to be kept secret from the Germans including several elaborate plans to fool the German's as to where the invasion would take place. An entire fake army was created as well as others. It was so well planned that even after the invasion started, Hitler and many of the German military brass continued to think that Normandy was just a feint to draw German troops away from the real invasion point. So I can say that the bombing of Iran was well done, but it was not the most complex plan ever.
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In WW2 there was a battle called Operation Bagration where the Soviet Union won the war in Europe. It was one of the biggest battles in history and American schools don't mention it. American schools also don't mention that 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front.
Complex? There was a bombing run on Peenemunde in WW2 to destroy the German rocket technology and heavy water research. Werner Von Braun was there at the time. If that attack had been telegraphed like the Iran attack and the Germans had had several days to evacuated the site, history might have unfolded differently.
 
No. The Manhattan Project or the D-Day landings in Normandy were the top ones from American military history, in my humble opinion.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
Thank goodness the present administration was able to use the prior administration's plan. Seems to me that Bibi played the US .
 
WisconIndependent said:
I suspect that Hegseth either knows nothing about military history or like usual he was just lying. In WWII there was a military operation called Overlord or as many know it the invasion of Normandy. THis plan not only included thousands of ships crossing the channel in order, but thousands of airplanes bombing targets and dropping both paratroopers and guiders in areas as required by the plan and 196000 thousand military. All of this had to be kept secret from the Germans including several elaborate plans to fool the German's as to where the invasion would take place. An entire fake army was created as well as others. It was so well planned that even after the invasion started, Hitler and many of the German military brass continued to think that Normandy was just a feint to draw German troops away from the real invasion point. So I can say that the bombing of Iran was well done, but it was not the most complex plan ever.
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Obviously a blatant and stupid lie.
 
Grand Mal said:
In WW2 there was a battle called Operation Bagration where the Soviet Union won the war in Europe. It was one of the biggest battles in history and American schools don't mention it. American schools also don't mention that 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front.
Complex? There was a bombing run on Peenemunde in WW2 to destroy the German rocket technology and heavy water research. Werner Von Braun was there at the time. If that attack had been telegraphed like the Iran attack and the Germans had had several days to evacuated the site, history might have unfolded differently.
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Strange I learned all about that in highschool.

I guess maybe this is why you shouldn’t just make crap up. But then you wouldn’t have much to post on here.
 
Hegseth is a disgrace as Secretary of Defense. Just another entitled bully who doesn’t know what he’s talking about while being in over his head in this administration.

The invasion of Normandy immediately came to mind for me, as well as the operation to rid the earth of one Osama bin Laden.
 
I don't know, I'm thinking about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Oh, wait didn't we lose 13 soldiers and and additional 45 wounded. But, in comparison to the losses in battle of the Iran Midnight Hammer operation that is, oh, wait, there weren't any loses of wounded. Hmmmm.
 
Integrityrespec said:
I don't know, I'm thinking about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Oh, wait didn't we lose 13 soldiers and and additional 45 wounded. But, in comparison to the losses in battle of the Iran Midnight Hammer operation that is, oh, wait, there weren't any loses of wounded. Hmmmm.
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I have read a lot of dumb shit in my time at DP.

But this, is easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

And this post is up against stiff, stiff competition.
 
The lay person, especially those inflicted with TDS isn't going to appreciate the complexities and scope of one of the most important military operations of the last two decades. It's right up there with shooting Bin Laden. Its their loss.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I have read a lot of dumb shit in my time at DP.

But this, is easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

And this post is up against stiff, stiff competition.
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There’s a competitor in this very thread!
 
Integrityrespec said:
I don't know, I'm thinking about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Oh, wait didn't we lose 13 soldiers and and additional 45 wounded. But, in comparison to the losses in battle of the Iran Midnight Hammer operation that is, oh, wait, there weren't any loses of wounded. Hmmmm.
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what a dumb shit post! jesus christ!
 
WisconIndependent said:
I suspect that Hegseth either knows nothing about military history or like usual he was just lying. In WWII there was a military operation called Overlord or as many know it the invasion of Normandy. THis plan not only included thousands of ships crossing the channel in order, but thousands of airplanes bombing targets and dropping both paratroopers and guiders in areas as required by the plan and 196000 thousand military. All of this had to be kept secret from the Germans including several elaborate plans to fool the German's as to where the invasion would take place. An entire fake army was created as well as others. It was so well planned that even after the invasion started, Hitler and many of the German military brass continued to think that Normandy was just a feint to draw German troops away from the real invasion point. So I can say that the bombing of Iran was well done, but it was not the most complex plan ever.
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If Donald and Pete believe that it was the most complex military operation in the history of the United States, then as far as @dmpi and @Integrityrespec are concerned, it was without question the most complex military operation in the history of the United States.
 
Integrityrespec said:
I don't know, I'm thinking about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Oh, wait didn't we lose 13 soldiers and and additional 45 wounded. But, in comparison to the losses in battle of the Iran Midnight Hammer operation that is, oh, wait, there weren't any loses of wounded. Hmmmm.
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How about the 20 years of war? 2,324 servicemen dead. How about the financial burden?

Human and Budgetary Costs to Date of the U.S. War in Afghanistan, 2001-2022 | Figures | Costs of War

The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
watson.brown.edu watson.brown.edu

How did we lose after 20 years? That's the question. Where did all the money go? We're focused on a botched withdrawal when we should focus on the stunning defeat. What the hell happened?
 
The Japanese plan in the Battle of Midway. The Japanese loved complex and elegant plans where the enemy would do exactly what you needed them to for Victory. These plans were not at all flexible. So if the Enemy didn't do what you wanted, exactly when you needed them to, you were defeated in detail.

History is filled to the brim with far more complex plans. Even limiting ourselves to Military History, there were far more complex plans. At the beginning of World War One, the German Plan was so detailed they calculated the number of train wheels that would pass over a bridge per hour to insure that the bridge would not fail before the war was won. Specific timelines were created for each individual unit from the moment the war started, until the moment the war would be won less than six months later. There were flaws we see now. And those flaws and errors led to the stagnant front with Trenches running from the Channel to Switzerland.

DUI Hire Hegseth is either the most ignorant Military leader in history, or the biggest liar. If he didn't study Military History, then he is ignorant. if he did study it, and still made that sort of comment, then he's an idiot.
 
Integrityrespec said:
I don't know, I'm thinking about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Oh, wait didn't we lose 13 soldiers and and additional 45 wounded. But, in comparison to the losses in battle of the Iran Midnight Hammer operation that is, oh, wait, there weren't any loses of wounded. Hmmmm.
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You're really grasping at straws here. How on earth do you think it makes sense to equate an evacuation with a bombing?
We tragically lost soldiers and also successfully evacuated 124,000 people.
Hmmm.
 
Heggie is a dope. Trump likes them that way. Just look to his Press Secretary, A.G., etc. They are more pliable that way. No “team of rivals” for ‘The Donald’. Just sycophantic airheads.
 
dmpi said:
The lay person, especially those inflicted with TDS isn't going to appreciate the complexities and scope of one of the most important military operations of the last two decades. It's right up there with shooting Bin Laden. Its their loss.
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Complex does not equal "the most complex operation in history". Something apologists for this administration fail to grasp.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I have read a lot of dumb shit in my time at DP.

But this, is easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

And this post is up against stiff, stiff competition.
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Its like the cultists took that as a challenge as 2 posts later he was outdumbed
 
lynnwinslow said:
You're really grasping at straws here. How on earth do you think it makes sense to equate an evacuation with a bombing?
We tragically lost soldiers and also successfully evacuated 124,000 people.
Hmmm.
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Just imagine what he thinks about operation Dynamo
 
Come on, there’s no need to get all worked up about his exaggerating for dramatic effect. People exaggerate all the time.
 
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