Hoot
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Looks like you may have lost sight of who the enemy is. Here's a hint. Remember what happened to Daniel Perle?Hoot said:God save us from these war hungry imbecilic republicans!
bismitch said:Our government isn't that stupid.
If this carrier force is going to be stationed in the Gulf it could be as a prelude to Sanctions imposed by primarily the US albeit without sanction of the UN, with possible assistance or acknowledgement from the UK.
It would be a very dangerous employment and would certainly be seen as a direct provocation, by Iran.
Ah but, as someone has already said, our Government under President Bush would not be that stupid,
Or would they?
Hoot said:So now, the USS Einsenhower is traveling to the Iran area..I pray it's going there just to support the Iraq mission, and not for an October surprise from Bush to start a war with Iran. Gulf of Tonkin sound familiar?
God save us from these war hungry imbecilic republicans!
Goobieman said:Hey!!
Where's Caine?
I expected to see some whining from him regarding partisan bickering.
Hmm. Maybe he just hasnt seen the post yet.
They have successfully tested an under water missile named Hoot. This is a missile in the same class like the Russian VA-111 Shkval or the German Barracuda. I don't see an American Carrier Group having the slightest chance to escape when they use this kind of weapon in the Persian gulf.bismitch said:Iran has nothing that can beat up a carrier group. Usually there are lots of ships loaded up with SAMs in a carrier group to deal with missiles(if they fire first) and the like. The Carrier Group if attacked would probally not try to get out of the gulf, but would retaliate on the missile launch sites.
Volker said:They have successfully tested an under water missile named Hoot. This is a missile in the same class like the Russian VA-111 Shkval or the German Barracuda. I don't see an American Carrier Group having the slightest chance to escape when they use this kind of weapon in the Persian gulf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoot_(missile)
You took a very biased article and added bias :roll:Goobieman said:Its not a missile, its a torpedo, and it aint all that.
And when the Russians originally came out with it, no one was concerned.
Why?
It has a range of a whopping 7km.
reliability? Remember the Kusk?
One of these blew up in her torpedo compartment and sank her.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20060404.aspx
Volker said:You took a very biased article and added bias :roll:
I added a source, which I find informative.Goobieman said:You took a Wikipedia cite as gospel. :roll:
Maybe they can keep military secrets and they are not so interested in weapon exports.Goobieman said:Iran has a history of making outrageous claims about their military capabilities, none of which are ever verified by outside obervers and none of which ever show up oin the export market.
Then Wikipedia and BBC and a lot of others are, too, or maybe we are right and you are wrong.Goobieman said:You're being duped by Iranian propoganda.
Volker said:Then Wikipedia and BBC and a lot of others are, too, or maybe we are right and you are wrong.
“The speed of this missile called ‘Hout’ is 100 metres per second and no ship can escape it”, Fadavi said, adding that the maximum speed of conventional underwater missiles was 25 metres per second. State television aired clips of the missile as it was being fired and moving in the water.
“Currently, only two countries in the world are equipped with such a missile”, he said. “Ships that can fire the Hout missile are radar-proof and cannot be identified”.
"The missiles are also designed to evade sonar detection," Fadavi claimed.
PeteEU said:Sure the US carrier battle group can fight back but what if it cant get out of the gulf again? The straits leading into the gulf can basicly blocked by a few sucken oil tankers at the right spot. The straits have always been the weak spot in the arab oil, and hence Saudi Arabia and other nations in the area have built massive oil pipelines leading to the red sea and med, so that they would not be totaly crippled by an accident or blockade in the straits.
Why is it incredulous? I don't know, which two countries he talks about, but I only know about Russia who has it and Iran and Germany who know the technoloy. The other descriptions don't differ much from what you hear about the Russian or German missiles or torpedos.Goobieman said:Not likely.
Lets be real - here are the Iranian claims:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6559
Incredulous at best.
A 4x increase in torpedo speed?Volker said:Why is it incredulous?
It's supercaviation, one big bubble instead of many small bubbles.Goobieman said:A 4x increase in torpedo speed?
Invisible to sonar?
Launched from boats invisible to radar?
This torpedo is supposedly so fast (4x faster than any other) because of "supercavitation". Cavitation of any kind is - guess what - noisy.
Doesnt matter if its 'super' or not.Volker said:It's supercaviation, one big bubble instead of many small bubbles.
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