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I'm not sure what their objective was, I'm just saying that holding territory or occupation is not the way to go in this part of the world because the terrain alone makes it impossible plus all the tribal issues. I think we must work to increase our influence with the tribes against the Taliban for the right reasons, and not our own interests.Didn't the Soviets try the same thing? And wasn't it referred to as the Soviets Vietnam?
Enjoy your thanks from Dan. :roll: I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.I think your method's ideals are somewhere between Godzilla and Charles Dickens.
You are not going to "change hearts" when you "absolutely destroy" territory.
Enjoy your thanks from Dan. :roll: I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.
I'm not sure what their objective was,
Enjoy your thanks from Dan. :roll: I didn't say territory, but then you didn't want to read my post the way I wrote it.
The Soviets were fighting religious extremist at the request of the Afghanistan government.
...... Which has been installed by the Soviets, against the will of the people.
...... Which had been installed by the Soviets, against the will of the people.
We did our fair share of monkeying in the region though to be fair.
Other than you where was Bush mentioned?
Please don't feed the troll. Just ignore him, and let's get this discussion back on track.
Well at least they're clean...... :lol:Of course we did - Operation Ajax, which is why Iran is now a fundie Islamist state.
I would consider killing bin Laden a win.
The Soviets were fighting religious extremist at the request of the Afghanistan government.
We did our fair share of monkeying in the region though to be fair.
Of course we did - Operation Ajax, which is why Iran is now a fundie Islamist state.
it's so much easier to wallow in historic ignorance
Operation Ajax has NOTHING to do with why Iran is now a fundamentalist State and I would be happy to refute any of your convoluted history should you wish to support your statements by using some of it.
So by all means, show me how operation Ajax had anything to do with Iran’s current state.
That is easy:
1) The Iranian people DEMOCRATICALLY elect Mossadegh to lead their nation.
2) The CIA overthrows that government, and installs the Shah, who was so sadistic he even made Saddam look like a boy scout.
3) Eventually, the American hating fundies overthrow the Shah.
It's called blowback.
I found this statement both ironic and hilarious. Along with your little appeal to emotion "American bashing" yeah right. Like anyone taking a subjective view of American action and critiquing it is "bashing America". Just more non-intellectual, knee jerk BS spouted off by people wishing nothing more than to dismiss a statement. The West in general has been monkeying in the area for a long long time. Those anti-American sentiments didn't just sprout up one day because the collective people of the Middle East woke up one morning and said, "You know what? I think I hate America". There are reasons for these things and if you want to look at the cumulative actions of the West and other industrialized nations in the area for the past 50 years, it may become clear as to why we are suffering from blowback.
But that's only if you want to discuss the issue honestly and openly instead of resorting to emotional tripe like "America bashing".
The emotional "knee jerk" BS being spouted belongs to you and others who wallow in willing ignorance and simplistically blame American first for the history surrounding events that occurred in the Middle East and who conveniently spew terrorist talking points.
See above for more history lessons; carry on. :roll:
blah blah blah, if you disagree with me you hate America, blah blah blah.
Summed up your arguments for ya. No need to thank me, it's what I do.
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