Again, unions were the "free market" response to poor work conditions. So are you for government controlling business or the free market? I am confused. I thought you were conservative.
What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.
Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.
Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...
Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...
Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
The National Guard to replace those on strike makes sense to me. They would be qualified to do the jobs the Union workers abandoned.
We know what you believe. You have made that clear time and time again. Could you please give us the independent verifiable evidence which created these beliefs?
why should he do your homework for you?Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.
and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!!:shock: WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!!:shock::shock: WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!!:shock: oh the humanity!!:mrgreen:You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.
So please give me some real evidence.
You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.
So please give me some real evidence.
Im SURE I can offer things to change your open mind...right? :lamo
Oh wait...werent you a union rep? Yeah...THAT would be a productive exercise. That being said...play with this.
"According to briefing materials prepared by General Motors, "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked."
No myth: Detroit union workers cost $70 an hour | Daily Estimate
and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!!:shock: WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!!:shock::shock: WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!!:shock: oh the humanity!!:mrgreen:
You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously
Try again please.
and like i said, unions have, and i suspect, continue to step up and do their part...you labor under the assumption that unions have caused this entire budget mess, and that is wrong, and i suspect that you know that that assumption is wrong, but you don't care, as it is a chance to bash unions.Wait...wait...I thought bonuses for business that recieved federal bailouts were BAD...
WIsconsin cannot afford to sustain current business practices. Like in New York, New Jersey, California, etc, they are facing budget shrotfalls. UNLIKE other states (and the federal government, Wisconsin cant just push their deficits onto future generations...they have a balanced budget amendment. Things WILL change there. You may not like it...but...well...too bad.
you know he is going to continue to just sling crap at the wall and see if something sticks...You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously
Try again please.
business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
They are getting written excuses from real doctors at the protest. They are being good role models for the students they took to the protest aren't they?:roll:
Oh wow. My bad on reading comprehension. I thought that the NG would work with corrections to make sure the workers didn't strike.
and like i said, unions have, and i suspect, continue to step up and do their part...you labor under the assumption that unions have caused this entire budget mess, and that is wrong, and i suspect that you know that that assumption is wrong, but you don't care, as it is a chance to bash unions.
once you start stripping one group of rights, who is next?Do we need public service unions? They already have protection.
once you start stripping one group of rights, who is next?
once you start stripping one group of rights, who is next?
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