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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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could you quote the part where I said that I read or did not read your bible? The portion of my post that you reproduced indicated nothing of the kind either way. How do you get off making judgments about what I have done or not done?

I intentionally used the title because it points to the path we are on. And funny that it is getting there in a directly opposite way that the original author thought we would be . In fct - he was dead wrong and his prediction never came to pass.
 

I saw that, its the best explanation I have heard yet!!!! :sun
 
That is why Reagan is so highly thought of today, by the majority in this country. If you were there you were just as blinded by an ideology then as you are now.

Yeah we think of Ray-gun every time we the feel the pain from the National debt and the results of peak oil with no alternatives!
 
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pardon?



oh, no, of course not




instead invest your credibility in david vines, jon stewart and the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST

LOL!

Give us your explanation of why the middle class is fast becoming as extent as the dodo bird (Raphus cucullatus) prof.
 

It is not my bible and comments like that are a great way to end the debate. You haven't read the book. You've already proven that by demonstrating your lack of knowledge about said book. I'm guessing you're trying to back-track now. I'll ask you flat out, have you read it?
 

I linked to the info previously. At any rate, here it is again and this time from the same site you linked to before regarding your strawman argument:

2010 Outside Spending, by Groups | OpenSecrets

My claim is backed up here that 7 out of 10 of the big money donors were conservative.
 

I have read about the book. I have read a summary of the book. I have read criticism of the book. i did once pick it up in a bookstore, sat down with it for a bit and thumbed through it reading a bit here and there to get the flavor of it.

I do nto need to ingest the entire buffet table to get an idea of the quality of the food.

I am far more familiar with it and its premise and claims that just someone who has not read the book. So please put that to rest.
 
The tide is turning against Walker

Public Policy Polling: Wisconsin closely divided, but against Walker

 

You didn't even know the name of the book I was referencing! You thought I told someone to go down the road to serfdom! LOL.

If you haven't read the book, then your credibility is a flop. I've read the General Theory by Keynes. I've read the Communist Manifesto. I have the necessary credentials to debate such topics. You don't. You're simply spouting your empty opinions and your posts are not worth a response.
 

So, you have one year where conservatives are out-spending liberals. But what do you have to say for the past 20 years?
 

What in the world are you babbling on about? Quit acting like a fifth grade kid on the playground. We both know the discussion is about the book THE ROAD TO SERFDOM by Hayek.

As I told you - I have read about it. I have read good summaries of it. I have read academic criticisms of it which summarized all the main points. I have picked it up and looked it over and read passages in it.

I know the damn book kid.

I do not need to swim all the way from NYCity to Liverpoos to know that the water is wet and salty.

You remind me of the gun nuts who try to prove their superior technical knowledge of weapons as a way of silencing their critics.

But so far, all you have done is play games and have said nothing about the actual isse.

But do keep it up.
 
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So, you have one year where conservatives are out-spending liberals. But what do you have to say for the past 20 years?

That for the first time in 20 years we have a government that is standing up to corporations. I see this as a good thing. However, if the unions can be busted, that leaves only the corporations as the big money campaign donors. I have see what happens under one party rule and it is not pretty.

Shepard Smith on union busting:

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The American people in solid opposition to what Walker is trying to do in Wisconsin

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/01poll.html?_r=1

 

For God sake's man! Both of our sources prove that both parties are receiving MASSIVE amounts of corporate and union money. There is no "standing up" to corporations. We live in a corporatist society, and the democrat party is not the savior that will restore an unbias government. Both parties cater to unions and corporations. If you want a party that refuses to cater to both, you'd have to vote libertarian.
 

And if enough people flock to the party of your urging, then they could swell the 2012 Presidential Libertarian numbers to one-half of one percent of the popular vote.
 
from Elijah Galt



Being on the Road to Serfdom would do me good!!!!!!!! That is one of the most amazing things i have ever read here.

No thank you. I will attempt to stay off that road as best I can.

Here it is again, for your convenience. You really had no idea.
 
And if enough people flock to the party of your urging, then they could swell the 2012 Presidential Libertarian numbers to one-half of one percent of the popular vote.

Say what you will. Libertarian and libertarian-like politicians are the only ones not shaping government to the point where its purpose is to serve special interest groups.
 

You miss the point that it is the GOP that the largest money donors are supporting today since this administration is stepping on corporate toes. Libertarian positions are two extreme to be a viable party in the forseeable future. Since I do not want a one party system, I am pro union (not only because I support adequate wages for our public servants) but also because the only thing worse than a two party system would be a one party system.

Libertarian positions are still too extreme to garner anything but a fractional portion of the votes.
 
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Does a 20-year track record mean anything to you? The difference in numbers is quite marginal. So what if Chevron is shelling out 40 million for the GOP and only 32 million for the democrats? Both parties are still tied to a corporatist structure. And you can support unions all you want. The bottom line is that they do not set the standard for a decent job. They artifically raise the wages of workers by limiting the supply of workers. So, you have unemployed individuals thanks to overpaid union workers.
 

Not since we have a government that is no longer giving in completely to corporate control. You may call 7 out 10 marginal, I see it as an overwhelming majority, and if the GOP is successful in busting unions that leaves all of the big money donors for the GOP. As I said I am not as fond of a one party system as others think they would be.

No one has shown to me that teachers, firefighters and policeman are overpaid. Unlike others I do not expect our public servants to work for third world wages. You can't balance 3 decades of bad fiscal policies on the backs of our public servants.
 
Yeah we think of Ray-gun every time we the feel the pain from the National debt and the results of peak oil with no alternatives!

Reagan and Congress added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years, Obama and Congress almost added that much in one year and has almost exceeded Bush's debt in two years.Diversion back to Reagan and Bush is what liberals do when their empty suit is generating the results he has generated.
 
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