[W:78]Men not being involved in the abortion debate

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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Rights are determined by society and men are part of society.

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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Who are these " some people" ?

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and to share it. But having said that, I would never allow a man or anyone else to tell me I can or cannot have an abortion.

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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I have always thought is was a bad argument. If the abortion debate involves public policy matters, and moral issues, which I assert it does, deciding that half the population are deemed insufficiently invested to have and express opinions is absurd. That the other half may be more directly invested, is not an argument to deny men enough legitimacy as Americans and people to speak up and be heard.

That being said, women of child bearing years have a greater and more direct stake in this issue.

I dont say this. I think anyone should express their opinion and the merits or lack of should be discussed.

On a personal level, I think it is important for two people in a committed relationship to discuss abortion and their views on whether they would have one/approve of having one, under what circumstances, probably before getting to having children or even sex would be best (although that is very likely asking a lot for most people). It is important though for at least those who are married or going to be because there are situations that could lead to problems with the marriage when it comes to differing views on abortion. If one spouse is absolutely prolife regardless of circumstances and the other believes at least in exceptions for rape, then a woman in the relationship being raped (doesn't matter if the person not raped is a man or woman, nor which is prolife w/o exception) and getting pregnant could end the relationship, causing more emotional damage/hardship to both because of those views on whatever she chooses. It should still be her choice but it is better to know the position of the person you are in a relationship with to determine if that is worth the risk before it even happens.

Ultimately though, the fact still remains that the legality of it affects women's rights mainly (at the moment) because only women get pregnant (for now) and their bodily autonomy would far exceed any rights of a man to a potential child. Morality has little to do with rights recognized by the Constitution unless you can convince a supermajority to change the Constitution.

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btthegreat said:

I have always thought is was a bad argument. If the abortion debate involves public policy matters, and moral issues, which I assert it does, deciding that half the population are deemed insufficiently invested to have and express opinions is absurd. That the other half may be more directly invested, is not an argument to deny men enough legitimacy as Americans and people to speak up and be heard.

That being said, women of child bearing years have a greater and more direct stake in this issue.

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No intelligent person excludes the stake-holders in a discussion. Rational people discuss and find solutions that seem sensible for everyone. Unfortunately, most of the men posting here belong to groups seeking to repeal Roe. Discussion is futile. They and usually their church have already made the decision for women and they do not have a choice.; all pregnancies must be carried to term. Hence the shrill sounding posts from women telling anti-abortion men they don't have a voice in the discussion.

So regarding men not being involved in the abortion debate, there have been some mixed responses here.

Anyway how about this? Women should not be involved in the gun debate.

DebateChallenge said:

So regarding men not being involved in the abortion debate, there have been some mixed responses here.

Anyway how about this? Women should not be involved in the gun debate.

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Because you cannot compare the size of a gun to a womans vagina like you can with a man's penis????

soylentgreen said:

Because you cannot compare the size of a gun to a womans vagina like you can with a man's penis????

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Because the world of guns is by and large mostly a world of men.

BTW I suppose you could compare the size of a gun to a woman's breasts.

DebateChallenge said:

Because the world of guns is by and large mostly a world of men.

BTW I suppose you could compare the size of a gun to a woman's breasts.

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You could, but no one does. Where as i doubt if anyone does not understand the relationship between penis and gun.

And the key word there is "mostly". Care to give even one good reason as to why a women should not use a gun?

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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I disagree. Men have the right to be involved in the debate.

But not the individual decision.

DebateChallenge said:

So regarding men not being involved in the abortion debate, there have been some mixed responses here.

Anyway how about this? Women should not be involved in the gun debate.

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You've tried this before and it's been proven that plenty of women, like me, are pro-2A and gun owners.

Dont go off-topic on something that doesnt even work as a parallel.

DebateChallenge said:

Because the world of guns is by and large mostly a world of men.

BTW I suppose you could compare the size of a gun to a woman's breasts.

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More BS. It's like saying cars are "mostly a world of men."

Bull****...just because women arent as 'into cars/guns' as much as men, doesnt mean we dont own, use, and need them as much.

The bigger problem is that more often than not, it is groups of men making decisions about women's bodies with no women in the room.

DebateChallenge said:

So regarding men not being involved in the abortion debate, there have been some mixed responses here.

Anyway how about this? Women should not be involved in the gun debate.

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If you don't know why a discussion about abortion isn't relevant to guns you'd be wise not to comment on either.

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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If a husband and wife make a decision together whether to have her pregnancy aborted or not, he has every right to get involved in the debate. We need to hear from those guys. But if you are a single man who never got married chances are you do not understand the issue and have a lot to learn before writing some potentially rude comments.

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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That's going too far for me. Men have had disproportionately more influence over reproduction policy than they should have, but they shouldn't be excluded from the conversation.

soylentgreen said:

Care to give even one good reason as to why a women should not use a gun?

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I can't give a good reason for that and as a matter of fact there have been tons of more women gun owners during the last decade or so, their numbers have swelled. So as far as women not being involved in the gun debate, I will make an exception for women who are for gun rights and perhaps I should start a thread on that in the gun control folder.

Lursa said:

You've tried this before and it's been proven that plenty of women, like me, are pro-2A and gun owners.

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As I said, I will make an exception for women like you, see post #19.

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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Well that makes sense. So I quess only gun owners should have a voice on gun control, right?

DebateChallenge said:

There are some people who say that since men don't get pregnant and have babies they therefore shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate, no matter what side they might take. What do you all think about that?

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As a man I have a say. That say comes before she gets pregnant. It is just that simple.

Men constantly fail to stand up, it is the not standing up to their wives and for their sons and daughters that is most disastrous.

Men used to be better.

DebateChallenge said:

I can't give a good reason for that and as a matter of fact there have been tons of more women gun owners during the last decade or so, their numbers have swelled. So as far as women not being involved in the gun debate, I will make an exception for women who are for gun rights and perhaps I should start a thread on that in the gun control folder.

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An exception only for women who are for gun rights? Because of penis envy? As good a reason as any for a woman to support the pro gun group.

So, basically your argument will be along the lines of, a woman can speak only if she agrees with your views?

DebateChallenge said:

So regarding men not being involved in the abortion debate, there have been some mixed responses here.

Anyway how about this? Women should not be involved in the gun debate.

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Apples vs oranges.

A lot of woman own guns, for hunting or safety.

On the hand I have only heard of one transsexual man who became pregnant.