[W:402] Texas Muslims Want to Build Homes and a Mosque. The Governor Says No.

[Gordy327]

No you didn't answer. You disagreed but you didn't answer.

The Mayflower Compact is the first European 'body politic' in America.

The Mayflower Compact is Christian in nature.

Americas political origin is rooted in Christianity.

Americas political origin is founded on the Christian faith,.

Lees

Once again, it only applied to a colony. Not America. Trying to use it as an excuse to declare a religious basis to the nation is disingenuous revisionism.

 

[Lees]

Once again, it only applied to a colony. Not America. Trying to use it as an excuse to declare a religious basis to the nation is disingenuous revisionism.

Trying to use the Plymouth Colony, because it was a Colony, as a reason to refuse the Mayflower Compact as proof of Americas Christian foundation is disingenuous revisionism. That foundation laid, would one day be a State. And that Stated would one day be part of the United States.

The Plymouth Colony speaks to the orign. Political and Christian in nature.

Lees

 

[Gordy327]

Trying to use the Plymouth Colony, because it was a Colony, as a reason to refuse the Mayflower Compact as proof of Americas Christian foundation is disingenuous revisionism. That foundation laid, would one day be a State. And that Stated would one day be part of the United States.

The Plymouth Colony speaks to the orign. Political and Christian in nature.

Lees

Still false. The Colony did not establish the nation. It predates the founding of the nation by over 150 years. Using your logic (and it use the term loosely), the Native Americans prefate Plymouth and the Compact. So they were actually the origin of this nation.

 

[Fledermaus]

What is false? Just because the Mayflower Compact predates the United States, it is still the first European 'body politic' in America.

What is false about the Mayflower Compact being Christian also in nature? Was it or not?

Thus my assertion that America's origin is Christian is not disingenuous.

Lees

You ignore the fact Mayflower Compact is an English agreement.

 

[Fledermaus]

No you didn't answer. You disagreed but you didn't answer.

The Mayflower Compact is the first European 'body politic' in America.

The Mayflower Compact is Christian in nature.

Americas political origin is rooted in Christianity.

Americas political origin is founded on the Christian faith,.

Lees

There were 'bodies politic' in the Americas long before the Mayflower Compact.

"the people of a nation, state, or society considered collectively as an organized group of citizens."

 

[notquiteright]

I am surprised that Texans would allow them in...


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It wasn't an issue until MAGA made it one...

 

[Nickyjo]

Mayflower Compact: "... in the presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic...."

From article: ('The Beginning Of American Democracy On Cape Cod' by David Kindy, Cape Cod Times.) "What they did next, though, changed the course of history. This disparate group of English outcasts opted to form a body politic and agreed to terms of how they would govern themselves. By creating what we know as the Mayflower Compact, they established the first form of independent rule by European settlers in the New World."

"...Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith...."

America's roots are Christian.

Lees

Even if one agrees that our roots are Christian, what does that indicate we should do?

 

[Lees]

Still false. The Colony did not establish the nation. It predates the founding of the nation by over 150 years. Using your logic (and it use the term loosely), the Native Americans prefate Plymouth and the Compact. So they were actually the origin of this nation.

No. The American Indians did not contribute to the body politic of America. They contributed nothing to the origin of America. Their politics and religion was contrary to Christianity.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Even if one agrees that our roots are Christian, what does that indicate we should do?

It indicates our roots are Chrisitan. And all opposition to that is to be seen as opposition to Americas origin.

And, the removal of all that is Christian, from our government, is nothing but the destruction of our government.

Lees

 

[Nickyjo]

It indicates our roots are Chrisitan. And all opposition to that is to be seen as opposition to Americas origin.

And, the removal of all that is Christian, from our government, is nothing but the destruction of our government.

Lees

What does removing “all that is Christian from our government” mean in practice? Would cutting food aid to the poor in the US or promised medical assistance to African children qualify?

 

[Lees]

What does removing “all that is Christian from our government” mean in practice? Would cutting food aid to the poor in the US or promised medical assistance to African children qualify?

It means just what I said. It means the destruction of our government.

Why say 'African children'? Are there not white children who should receive assistance from the govenment? What a racist you are.

Lees

 

[rahl]

It indicates our roots are Chrisitan. And all opposition to that is to be seen as opposition to Americas origin.

And, the removal of all that is Christian, from our government, is nothing but the destruction of our government.

Christianity, as every other religion, was never part of our government since its inception. As we are specifically a secular nation.

 

[rahl]

It means just what I said. It means the destruction of our government.

Christianity was specifically not part of our government, and has never been.

Why say 'African children'? Are there not white children who should receive assistance from the govenment? What a racist you are.

Lees

 

[Gordy327]

No. The American Indians did not contribute to the body politic of America. They contributed nothing to the origin of America. Their politics and religion was contrary to Christianity.

Lees

Neither did Christianity. The "origin" of America starts with the Declaration of Independence followed by the ratification of the Constitution, both secular documents and for a secular nation.

It indicates our roots are Chrisitan. And all opposition to that is to be seen as opposition to Americas origin.

The Founding Fathers disagree with you.

"It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of Heaven....it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived by use of reason and the senses." --- John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States of America, 1787"

And, the removal of all that is Christian, from our government, is nothing but the destruction of our government.

Lees

Since religion cannot be in government per the separation of church and state and is religiously neutral by design, there is nothing to remove.

 

[Nickyjo]

It means just what I said. It means the destruction of our government.

Why say 'African children'? Are there not white children who should receive assistance from the govenment? What a racist you are.

Lees

I think you misunderstood my comment or I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. Sorry for that.

I was referring to two cuts: that of food aid to Americans, and the Musk/Trump elimination of USAID, which left some African children without follow up operations and other needed procedures. Both efforts, reduced or eliminated, reflected Christian ideals in my view.