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[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

Fledermaus said:
Blaming masks for people making stupid choices is like blaming a fireman's helmet for burns suffered.
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You are blaming the victim of the CDC's recommendations for everyone to wear face masks in public. The CDC did not say face masks ONLY work to protect an infected person from spreading the Wuhan virus when infected. The Federal healthcare bureaucracy said everyone should wear face masks in public. The dubious claim that face masks only protect others only became popular AFTER the RCT proved face masks had very little or no benefit for protecting the wearer.

A cynic might suspect this unsubstantiated "source control" narrative by the Federal healthcare bureaucracy might be why no one is funding a RCT to prove the cloth face masks and paper surgical masks worn by the vast majority of Americans are efficacious for "source control" (a.k.a. protecting others from infected mask wearers). I suspect they fear such a study may very well show they are largely or completely unreliable for doing so. How else do we explain the dubious (and unproven) claims that a RCT to determine if flimsy face masks actually are efficacious for "source control" are somehow unethical?
Fledermaus said:
No one said masks work to protect the WEARER.
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Well that was not (and still is not) the message from the CDC is it? As far as I can tell the CDC is still claiming face masks protect the wearer of any old flimsy face mask, and most face mask mandates do not specify the type of face masks that should be worn.
 
The reason no RCT was funded is because it cannot be DONE in this country. To know if a mask works as source control, the researchers have to know the person is infected and contagious, then send them out, some with masks, some without, and see how many innocents they infect.

That's obviously an impossible study to get past the LMAO stage of the proposal, so why are you pushing this line of BS?
Yeah, it's dubious!! What's unethical about a study that REQUIRES the researchers to find infected people, then send a bunch of known sick and contagious people out in the world to infect a bunch of innocents???
 
RealityChecker said:
Agreed.

Agreed. JasperL's entire post #4685 was:

"The CDC and Fauci have ALWAYS recommended 1) masks and 2) quarantining for the known infected." JasperL Post #4685
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"For the known infected" Those words have meaning and I typed them to convey that meaning.

When you ignore the words I typed and therefore the context, then replied with Fauci talking about entirely different recommendations for a different set of people, you have dishonestly moved the goal posts from what my point was to something else.
 

It is stupid to blame the CDC for the ignorant actions of others.

Fauci and the CDC made it VERY CLEAR that the masks were intended to protect not the WEARER but the people around the WEARER. It is right in the quote all anti-maskers misrepresent.

The everyone recommendation came later because of the fact there are asymptomatic carriers.

And your last paragraph show your Dunning Kruger in full force. Show where the CDC is claiming face masks protect the WEARER of "any old flimsy face mask".
 
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Fauci represents the whole WHO mask bullshit and rhetoric that the left so easily fell for.
 

Compilation. Masks, lies and video. ENJOY!!

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Its rather comical watching the leftists claim that these doctors 'didnt know' about whether or not masks are effective...but NOW they know...NOW you can trust them......
 

TRANSLATION : Fauci made recommendations based on science and medicine that anti-maskers can neither comprehend nor refute.
 
The original spike in deaths has been explained multiple times. The Swedes now have about the same infection rates as their neighbours without having any mandates. There is simply no way you can say that they have done badly after that initial surge…that clearly indicates that the mask mandates have been useless.

The truth is that if they had mask mandates at the time of the care home deaths…nothing would have been different in regard to how many people died.

Sweden, noted for its lax COVID-19 response, never mandated face masks. Now it's dropping its vague recommendation to wear one at all.

Sweden only recommended that people were face masks at certain hours on public transport — a very different approach to most other countries.
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And Sweden FAILED compared with their peers.
 
Fledermaus said:
It still stands that holding up Sweden as a good example is frankly stupid at this point.

And the phrase "non threat" is particularly ignorant.
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I don’t think you do logic…masks are ineffective unless designed and worn correctly…most are not. Sweden didn’t have mask mandates , California did. Sweden had far fewer deaths per million than California…but you think the Swedes got it wrong……nuts.
 
Fledermaus said:
Blaming masks for people making stupid choices is like blaming a fireman's helmet for burns suffered.

No one said masks work to protect the WEARER.
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You think wearing a pound shop mask is enough to stop a virus spreading…lol. You literally think that if you went into a room with covid victims breathing through pound shop masks you’d be ok…nuts.
 
Fledermaus said:
And Sweden FAILED compared with their peers.
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Why should I care about the comparisons with their neighbouring countries when those countries didn’t have the same care home policy….nuts. Now their infection rates are about the same.
 

Continuing your intentional ignorance I see.

And California is a prime example of variables affecting the outcome. (That is the main reason one should compare likes instead of unalikes)

Large groups of people ignored the mandates and pretended COVID wasn't an issue.

I know.

I have seen it.

Multi family multi generational birthday parties with no COVID protocols in effect. Anti mask Karens galore. Etc.

Sweden failed when compared to her peers.
 
JasperL said:
The reason no RCT was funded is because it cannot be DONE in this country.
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No one said it had to be done in the USA did they? Indeed I specifically suggested at this point a source control study would need to be done in a poor country.
JasperL said:
To know if a mask works as source control, the researchers have to know the person is infected and contagious, then send them out, some with masks, some without, and see how many innocents they infect.
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No they don't. However, in poor countries people who are infected with the Wuhan virus often will not be able to quarantine and in many cases will choose to continue working unless they are seriously ill for economic reasons. That is the sad reality of living in a 3rd world country.
JasperL said:
That's obviously an impossible study to get past the LMAO stage of the proposal, so why are you pushing this line of BS?
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There is no reason such a study could not be done. Indeed, it should have been done more than a year ago.
JasperL said:
Yeah, it's dubious!! What's unethical about a study that REQUIRES the researchers to find infected people, then send a bunch of known sick and contagious people out in the world to infect a bunch of innocents???
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Again you are lying about how I said the study could be done. Both the control group and the group given masks will be told they have an infectious disease and if possible they should quarantine themselves if possible. Again the sad reality is that in poor countries being able to effectively quarantine oneself for 2-3 weeks is not possible dues to socio-economic factors that exist there.
 
The Swedes carried on pretty much as normal…hardly any of them shit the bed like Californians lol. Also Sweden will almost certainly have a more indoor culture than California…where masks are supposed to be most required.

Just admit it you bought into propaganda…you didn’t think it through.
 
Fledermaus said:
40th in COVID deaths compared with 140th.
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Where did the US come…

The good news is that even the US had a really tiny death rate from this for anyone under 70… most who died of Covid already had another disease that was killing them…95% according to the CDC, 91% according to the ONS…and the ones who didn’t have known illnesses were almost certainly already very old.
 
Fledermaus said:
TRANSLATION : Fauci made recommendations based on science and medicine that anti-maskers can neither comprehend nor refute.
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Fauci talks out of his ass and whatever he says, no matter wrong he is or has been...you drop to your knees and swallow.
 
Big Eye said:
You think pound shop masks stop the spread of Covid…nuts.
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People like him dont care. They dont care about what the masks are made of, or even if they work. They just care about compliance. Wear the mask. Be the sheep.
 
VanceMack said:
People like him dont care. They dont care about what the masks are made of, or even if they work. They just care about compliance. Wear the mask. Be the sheep.
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He does seem real keen to trust some pretty untrustworthy people. I’ve never understood his identity as a right-libertarian either…he’s the ****ing opposite.
 
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