[W:363]accepting gay as normal

roguenuke · Jan 28, 2020

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Cougarbear said:
That's because the Constitution gives us the right for free religious expressions of faith. But, why do you believe you have the right to force religious people who believe that homosexual acts are sinful to God to bake cakes and participate in the vileness of gay weddings?

They dont have to do either of those things. They are free to not run a business open to the public that is required to offer their services to all of the public. No one forced them to start such a business, to agree to the rules they are bound to as an open to the public business.

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roguenuke · Jan 28, 2020

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Cougarbear said:
This isn't a forum for racism. This is about religious beliefs. So, go back and try again. See, people have a choice to play heterosexual or homosexual post office. People don't have a choice on where they were born and the color of their skin. So, you can't switch those things.

Those are religious beliefs. It doesnt matter how few believe those things now ("interracial marriages are wrong god says so"), they are still honestly held religious beliefs just as yours are against same sex couples. Either both should be protected and allowed to refuse service or neither should.

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calamity · Jan 28, 2020

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Cougarbear said:
That's because the Constitution gives us the right for free religious expressions of faith. But, why do you believe you have the right to force religious people who believe that homosexual acts are sinful to God to bake cakes and participate in the vileness of gay weddings?

Because we say you cannot hide behind an imaginary god to spout vile bigotry.

Aberration · Jan 28, 2020

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calamity said:
Because we say you cannot hide behind an imaginary god to spout vile bigotry.

Do you think a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party?

roguenuke · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
Do you think a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party?

Would they bake it for anyone, no one at all, or just refuse for people they believed were KKK? Do they have such a cake on their menu?

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calamity · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
Do you think a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party?

That's a stupid question because being KKK is not at all like being gay, and being black is nothing like believing in an imaginary god who tells you gay is bad.

Aberration · Jan 28, 2020

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calamity said:
That's a stupid question because being KKK is not at all like being gay, and being black is nothing like believing in an imaginary god who tells you gay is bad.

If it’s stupid you’d be able to answer. It’s a matter of forcing someone to labor for something they disagree with.

vegas giants · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
Do you think a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party?

Yes....

calamity · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
If it’s stupid you’d be able to answer. It’s a matter of forcing someone to labor for something they disagree with.

Is a blueberry a baseball?

That's basically what you are arguing.

vegas giants · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
If it’s stupid you’d be able to answer. It’s a matter of forcing someone to labor for something they disagree with.

Yes. Sometimes you have to labor for something you disagree with

AProudLefty · Jan 28, 2020

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Aberration said:
If it’s stupid you’d be able to answer. It’s a matter of forcing someone to labor for something they disagree with.

Dumb question deserves either a dumb answer or no answer at all.

American · Jan 28, 2020

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Grand Mal said:
Sodom and Gomorrah? Wasn't Sodom the place where Lot, the righteous man, offered his virgin daughters to be gang-raped by a mob? That's your example?
You guys can't straighten it out in your own heads, the reasons why you don't like gays, how do you expect to convince anyone else?

Fancy yourself a Bible scholar, eh? :lol:

Grand Mal · Jan 28, 2020

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American said:
Fancy yourself a Bible scholar, eh? :lol:

I've read more of the Bible than most people and I think about it and retain, too.
That scene in Sodom, why does it mean homosexuality is a sin but it doesn't mean that daughters are property and you can do what you want with them? Wouldn't be a bit of cherry-picking involved, would there? Same with Leviticus, the laws God gave to Moses, why are they ignored except for the one that prohibits homosexuality?
This is what I mean about not getting your beliefs from the Bible, but bringing your beliefs to the Bible and finding justification.

American · Jan 28, 2020

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Grand Mal said:
I've read more of the Bible than most people and I think about it and retain, too.
That scene in Sodom, why does it mean homosexuality is a sin but it doesn't mean that daughters are property and you can do what you want with them? Wouldn't be a bit of cherry-picking involved, would there? Same with Leviticus, the laws God gave to Moses, why are they ignored except for the one that prohibits homosexuality?
This is what I mean about not getting your beliefs from the Bible, but bringing your beliefs to the Bible and finding justification.

Is that why you cherry picked something out of it, and used it to slam someone that God cared about? A real scholar write up there. Just Wow.

AProudLefty · Jan 28, 2020

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American said:
Is that why you cherry picked something out of it, and used it to slam someone that God cared about? A real scholar write up there. Just Wow.

So you have no answer?

Lisa · Jan 28, 2020

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American said:
Is that why you cherry-picked something out of it, and used it to slam someone that God cared about? A real scholar write up there. Just Wow.

When exactly did the Abrahamic god or any other gods actually exist?

The Bible is no truer than Harry Potter.

Genesis should be re-written and start with Once upon a time instead of In the beginning because the truth matters.

American · Jan 29, 2020

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AProudLefty said:
So you have no answer?

I don't need one, anyone who has read the Bible can see what a sham cheap-shot post that was.

Aberration · Jan 29, 2020

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calamity said:
Is a blueberry a baseball?

That's basically what you are arguing.

Cool story.

Aberration · Jan 29, 2020

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vegas giants said:
Yes. Sometimes you have to labor for something you disagree with

No you don’t.

Aberration · Jan 29, 2020

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AProudLefty said:
Dumb question deserves either a dumb answer or no answer at all.

Just because someone is too stupid to answer a question doesn’t mean the question is stupid. It means the responder is a coward for being dishonest and avoiding answering.

Praxas · Jan 29, 2020

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Aberration said:
Do you think a black baker should be forced to bake a cake for a KKK party?

Is the KKK a race or sexual orientation? No, then why would they have to? Do you even understand or know what public accommodation laws are and how they are applied? Guessing you don't since you asked that stupid question.

Jason Warfield · Jan 29, 2020

Da Mole said:
Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

I have this question of all parents of a young teenage boy. What will be the outcome after you have been brain washed into thinking that the gay life style is perfectly ok, it’s normal behavior and not to be questioned as if it were actually gods way.

This is one result I see coming down the road. Guys, think back to your early teen years when you were the victim of raging hormones. To coin an old phrase---“he would screw a snake if someone held it down”. Unpleasant statement but so true, boys and men are sexually aggressive (natures way). Your sons are or will experience the same emotions and urges as will all of his friends. Remember the good old sleepovers of the past? Just what do you think will be going on when every kid there has the same view about how normal gay sex is? Got the picture in your mind. Is that really ok with you?

Your turn, go for it.

SMH, either you are gay or you are not. I am not. Just how I am wired. Never felt the need to go after another boy at a sleepover. Nor has normalization of homosexuality has made me want to be with another man sexually, not made me have romantic feelings for another man. For gays, the opposite is true. And I don't have a problem with it.

To suggest that normalization of homosexuality will suddenly make someone decide to go against what they were born as, against their own choice as a victim of hormones is kind of...well...stupid. And it seems to denote irrational fear and perhaps repression for those who think that way.

Cougarbear · Jan 29, 2020

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AProudLefty said:
Tell me at what age did you decide to be straight?

Nice try. We are conscious human beings which makes us different from penguins that do opposite of what they were made to do, procreate. When we go against our nature to procreate, we do so consciously. How that takes place will be different from person to person. Some may be given the idea through media, molestation or environment. But, to decide one has same-sex attractions is a conscious decision. So, there was no decision that needed to be made to behave as I were born a male seeking a female. Same-sex attraction requires a decision.

Cougarbear · Jan 29, 2020

Jason Warfield said:
SMH, either you are gay or you are not. I am not. Just how I am wired. Never felt the need to go after another boy at a sleepover. Nor has normalization of homosexuality has made me want to be with another man sexually, not made me have romantic feelings for another man. For gays, the opposite is true. And I don't have a problem with it.

To suggest that normalization of homosexuality will suddenly make someone decide to go against what they were born as, against their own choice as a victim of hormones is kind of...well...stupid. And it seems to denote irrational fear and perhaps repression for those who think that way.

Disagree. To go against that which is normal (heterosexual) requires a conscious decision. To be heterosexual doesn't require a conscious decision. Therefore, you may not be susceptible to homosexual normalization. But, there many that are. Especially the very young. Back when we don't remember how we thought or most of what we did. But, we are the sum total of our existence and experiences. Influencing young children about homosexuality in elementary school is evil. They get out to be teenagers or older and then say, I've always been gay when they weren't born gay but had something pushed into their heads they should be or they could be. Evil. Satan is working overtime on our youth!

Cougarbear · Jan 29, 2020

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calamity said:
Because we say you cannot hide behind an imaginary god to spout vile bigotry.

We have the right to do so. Whether it's bigotry or religious expressions of faith. The Constitution gives us that right and God inspired the Constitution. That is why Liberals (Democrats) push to destroy the Constitution attacking President Trump. If they can destroy the Constitution piece by piece, eventually they can destroy the Bill of Rights as well and control the hearts and minds of mankind in the U.S. That will destroy the world as we keep the world together.

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