[W:289]Legislatures across country plan sweeping election reform push

HangLow · Dec 10, 2020

Legislatures across the country
plan sweeping election reform push

Legislatures across country plan sweeping election reform push

State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter tu…

thehill.com

"State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter turnout in American history and the outgoing president baselessly calling its integrity into question.

In its wake, election rules have become the hottest topic for state legislatures, especially in presidential battleground states."

GDViking · Dec 10, 2020

Good, we need to make the mail in voting and extended voting dates permanent nation wide...

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Legislative changes to voting rules are OK if the increase voter turn out

They are not OK, if they lessen participation in the electoral process.

MTAtech · Dec 10, 2020

The devil is in the details.
Some of those legislatures may try to make it harder to vote by instituting voter ID laws and other suppression measures.
The reason why it took so long to count all the absentee votes was because of laws passed by Republican legislatures that forbid counting the votes before Election Day. Why would they change those laws, just because they make sense?

sjmay · Dec 10, 2020

There should be some kind of minimum standard though, you can't and shouldn't have one state, Idaho, doing things completely different, than Georgia, while each state can do their own thing, there should be some kind of minimal standard,

IE. Mail in voting, if your state decides to do main in voting, you have to do A,B,C,D. whatever it is, that way every state that does mail in voting, is doing A,B,C,D etc.

Hamish Howl · Dec 10, 2020

sjmay said:
There should be some kind of minimum standard though, you can't and shouldn't have one state, Idaho, doing things completely different, than Georgia, while each state can do their own thing, there should be some kind of minimal standard,

IE. Mail in voting, if your state decides to do main in voting, you have to do A,B,C,D. whatever it is, that way every state that does mail in voting, is doing A,B,C,D etc.

There's that pesky constitution again.

Cameron · Dec 10, 2020

HangLow said:
Legislatures across the country
plan sweeping election reform push

Legislatures across country plan sweeping election reform push

State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter tu…

thehill.com

"State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter turnout in American history and the outgoing president baselessly calling its integrity into question.

In its wake, election rules have become the hottest topic for state legislatures, especially in presidential battleground states."

Online voting please.

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Cameron said:
Online voting please.

If ever you could make it secure.

Cameron · Dec 10, 2020

Rich2018 said:
If ever you could make it secure.

I guess the argument for why in person is voting is more secure is that there are more physical people involved. To really have a fraud, you have to get a lot of people involved, whereas when everything is done remotely and by computer I guess there is more opportunity for a single person to change things.

However, I think that it is worth a (non-swing) state or two experimenting with this.

Logophile · Dec 10, 2020

The only way to make the election count removed from corruption is to have the election count dependent on each voter's actual hand. YES, it can be done. It can be done by giving every citizen - instead of these absurd license ids - a numeric identification with a dna sample encrypted on each citizen's id which is then transferred to the voting placard. Now, if you don't like that, there's another solution. Apply social pressure vis a vis a third and fourth party where the political scrutiny becomes harder to duck than a two party system whose paramount purpose is to remain a two party system in which the system - by both existing parties - is happily rigged. Thanks!!

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Cameron said:
I guess the argument for why in person is voting is more secure is that there are more physical people involved. To really have a fraud, you have to get a lot of people involved, whereas when everything is done remotely and by computer I guess there is more opportunity for a single person to change things.

However, I think that it is worth a (non-swing) state or two experimenting with this.

The scope for election interference (by a hostile foreign power), to an on-line only voting system, would expand enormously.

You'd still have to provide an in-person voting option for those people who're not on-line.

Slartibartfast · Dec 10, 2020

I am guessing this will mean more voter suppression attempts.

Cameron · Dec 10, 2020

Rich2018 said:
You'd still have to provide an in-person voting option for those people who're not on-line.

I agree with that, not everybody has a computer or internet.

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Logophile said:
The only way to make the election count removed from corruption is to have the election count dependent on each voter's actual hand. YES, it can be done. It can be done by giving every citizen - instead of these absurd license ids - a numeric identification with a dna sample encrypted on each citizen's id which is then transferred to the voting placard. Now, if you don't like that, there's another solution. Apply social pressure vis a vis a third and fourth party where the political scrutiny becomes harder to duck than a two party system whose paramount purpose is to remain a two party system in which the system - by both existing parties - is happily rigged. Thanks!!

But you'd lose voting anonymity - there would be databases of who voted for what party

The whole point of our voting system is that it is a secret ballot

So far no significant cases of voting fraud have been found.
ie: Someone pretending to be someone else and taking their vote

If it 'aint broke, don't fix it.

Hatuey · Dec 10, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
There's that pesky constitution again.

Shhhhh, maybe he is realizing states rights are completely made up notions meant to sow division for the purpose of maintaining the supremacy one group of people have held over others for years while simultaneously becoming an increasingly smaller percentage of the country.

Don't count on it, but anything is possible.

Logophile · Dec 10, 2020

Rich2018 said:
But you'd lose voting anonymity - there would be databases of who voted for what party

The whole point of our voting system is that it is a secret ballot

So far no significant cases of voting fraud have been found.
ie: Someone pretending to be someone else and taking their vote

If it 'aint broke, don't fix it.

Well, it is broken. I wish it weren't, and I wish you were right. But I saw the people counting the ballots. And, uh, there's no question that any individual - counting ballots - that has a strong, shall we say, fervent inclination as to who should win, could be - and probably was - persuaded in his or her mind, to "miscount." The handling of the election made no sense. Let's face it. And frankly, anonymity can only be relied upon when there is enough social and political pressure to keep it honest, and there isn't right now. Thanks!!

poweRob · Dec 10, 2020

HangLow said:
Legislatures across the country
plan sweeping election reform push

Legislatures across country plan sweeping election reform push

State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter tu…

thehill.com

"State legislatures across the country are contemplating sweeping changes to the way elections are administered after a tumultuous presidential contest, one that ended with both the highest voter turnout in American history and the outgoing president baselessly calling its integrity into question.

In its wake, election rules have become the hottest topic for state legislatures, especially in presidential battleground states."

And Georgia of course is making it so that it never votes blue again by getting as restrictive on voting as they can.

PosterPolitic · Dec 10, 2020

Easiest reform they could make is to change it to the first weekend of November and give Friday as a day off allowing the whole three day weekend to vote. This would cut down on lines and give everyone the opportunity to vote without worrying about work or issues coming up on a single day that could prevent a voter from arriving. It would also allow for responses to any noticed voter disruption or intimidation reported on the first or second day to be taken care of.

Hamish Howl · Dec 10, 2020

PosterPolitic said:
Easiest reform they could make is to change it to the first weekend of November and give Friday as a day off allowing the whole three day weekend to vote. This would cut down on lines and give everyone the opportunity to vote without worrying about work or issues coming up on a single day that could prevent a voter from arriving. It would also allow for responses to any noticed voter disruption or intimidation reported on the first or second day to be taken care of.

They don't actually want people voting. That's been made pretty clear.

PosterPolitic · Dec 10, 2020

True but stating that is tiring and I want to be optimistic once and a while...

The reality is more likely they will institute something like voter registration updates every voting period.

Or maybe legalize "votes with moats" so you have to be able to get passed the crocodile filled water to prove your vote is valid.

sjmay · Dec 10, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
There's that pesky constitution again.

You realize what an asinine comment that is right? Or did the Civil Rights act just **** with the constitution as well?

Hamish Howl · Dec 10, 2020

sjmay said:
You realize what an asinine comment that is right? Or did the Civil Rights act just **** with the constitution as well?

The constitution is quite clear that each state shall set its own election rules.

You need an amendment if you wish to change that.

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Logophile said:
Well, it is broken. I wish it weren't, and I wish you were right. But I saw the people counting the ballots. And, uh, there's no question that any individual - counting ballots - that has a strong, shall we say, fervent inclination as to who should win, could be - and probably was - persuaded in his or her mind, to "miscount." The handling of the election made no sense. Let's face it. And frankly, anonymity can only be relied upon when there is enough social and political pressure to keep it honest, and there isn't right now. Thanks!!

We could use counting machines...mark an X on a card and it's then fed into a counting machine.

I don't want officials ever knowing how someone voted.

Rich2018 · Dec 10, 2020

Hamish Howl said:
The constitution is quite clear that each state shall set its own election rules.

You need an amendment if you wish to change that.

Well they (the states) do have to comply with other parts of the Constitution.

Hamish Howl · Dec 10, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Well they (the states) do have to comply with other parts of the Constitution.

Well, sure. Article VI is quite clear about that. But aside from requirements listed in the constitution, it's up to the states.

And the constitution says absolutely nothing about voting by mail.

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