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Evil Apprentice Hitler is LITERALLY eating Latin children alive - there's no time for anything but hysterical shrieking, sir.
Resist.
:donkeyfla
"The administration wants roughly $4.5 billion in supplemental funding, including $3.3 billion for humanitarian aid. Top GOP senators are now warning that money for vital services along the border will run out in a matter of weeks unless Congress takes action.
Extra border assistance was on the brink of being included in the recent disaster aid package, but it got yanked after a stalemate on immigration threatened passage of the $19.1 billion recovery bill..."
Trump's border aid request stalls amid fresh obstacles | TheHill
So, now the question is, why is Nancy Pelosi, and Democrats denying these detained immigrants the essentials?
So let me get this straight: Refugees who commit the misdemeanor of crossing the border without proper documentation deserve to be treated with cruelty? Even if they are children?
What kind of moral standards do you have, Pipewrench? That these migrants broke a law is absolutely irrelevant to my point. Even murderers and pedophiles have the right not to be treated with cruelty behind bars, much less people who violate far lesser crimes such as crossing the border without proper documentation.
An excellent set of talking points for voting Democratic in 2020! :thumbs:
Glad you can acknowledge that it’s emotional, albeit not in a “wonderful” way. One would have to be an absolutely callous human being incapable of empathy or compassion not feel anything. You know. Like our President. The Democrats are not in complete control of Congress. The House can pass bills but McConnell blocks them from coming to a vote in the Senate.
And I know a few things that would do and not do. I would make sure that the emergency funding focuses on humanitarian relief and not building a useless wall. And I also wouldn’t be cutting foreign aid to Central America and make the problems that are driving migrants here even worse.
:lol: “Nancy’s Fault”
Hey, maybe they should not have locked up the kids in the first place :roll:
Hey, maybe they should not have locked up the kids in the first place :roll:
What the heck are you doing man?
Post #252 in a conversation with uptower. I said:
"I also would like to see these facilities provide at least the essentials"....
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...entitled-soap-and-beds-26.html#post1070235373
Then in post #254 to pmak I said:
"You're not going to get me to argue that the Government shouldn't be providing the essentials, while these people are housed on our soil..."
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...entitled-soap-and-beds-26.html#post1070235382
Now what are you trying to pull? If you don't believe me, then I really have no interest in discussing anything with you...
You're starting to sound like Republicans did back when...."We don't control all of congress so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have the Presidency, so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have large enough majorities, so we are powerless"....Pfft....I call BS on all of it.
Well, let's see...We give them billions over the years in aid, and they send their people....We cut off aid and they send their people....Sounds like we are suckers doesn't it?
Nonsense comment since the argument by the government is not that the Congress does not approve funds.
And for the other nonsense comments above, the point of having a government is so that it will do things that we do not have to do, like detaining people.
If you think that you can justify the lack of beds and toothbrushes by arguing that it saves a couple of thousand dollars, you need to give us first the price you put on common decency. If you think it worths less than a toothbrush and a bed, you obviously do not value it much.
:roll:
It's like asking pro-life people how many babies they've adopted.
How we treat people in our custody is a reflection of our country. Many people tell me they want this to be a Christian country, yet they will turn around and excuse this kind of treatment of children? What kind of Christian church are they attending??
These companies and agencies are getting paid hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to run those centers, even up to $775 per child per day and yet they are trying to withhold the most basic supplies. There should be outrage over where that money is going and us providing basic necessities.
How many American kids have you adopted?
First of all, it's not a "noble pursuit" to treat kids humanely. It's common decency, and what the U.S. prided itself on doing until Trump. Now some people cheer on behavior we'd condemn if done by other countries pre-Trump because they are assholes.
As to the amount, I don't know. You could do the research, or just ask someone else to do that work for you. If they can't afford blankets and soap and tootbrushes, then not enough, obviously. I have a feeling it's plenty and the reason are either, 1) some private contractor or prison company is deciding profits matter more than supplying the basics, or 2) the cruelty/hardship is the point, deliberate, and has nothing to do with money.
Our church has welcomed and sheltered some. You might want to get involved in your own community. Most majorly religions have groups that help out. You could also go to the border and volunteer.
Be careful how you phrase that. :shock:
It's said that some of these folks are leaving the fire for the frying pan.
What's up in Central America these days anyway?
Link?
The average daily cost to care for a child at an influx facility is about $775 a day, according to Evelyn Stauffer, press secretary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. With nearly 1,600 children at Homestead, that puts the burn rate at over $1.2 million a day.
Have we done something in the past 19 years more inhuman than ripping families apart and having children die in concentration camps? Please, do tell.
Sliding responsibility from the state to the individual is a real garbage argument bud. It's not even witty, it's a boring, go nowhere argument out of bad faith.
You seem to be confused.
We were talking about children being separated form their parents, and the people in charge having no idea which children were connected to which parents. You said this was Obama's fault.
Your links do not address any of that. Can you provide links that do, or were you just making stuff up?
It's interesting that MSNBC uses NBC as the source on their $775 figure.
Following that link to the NBC story, the NBC story cites MSNBC as THEIR source.
What's wrong with this picture?
Add to those obvious shortcomings, the comparison figures are from 2014 for the "Family Detention" costs and the costs for the current children only facilities include the costs of upgrades to the physical plants like Air Conditioning.
Using only NBC and MSNBC for your information, as NBC and MSNBC do, guarantees delivery of propaganda.
That said, the border crisis is the product of the work committed and omitted by the a-holes and idiots in Washington.
It reflects the same caring and insight that years of experience with their efforts have taught us to expect.
What is the option for child care for those who are the off spring or the accompanying children of those committing the crime of immigrating illegally? For anyone breaking the law?
Should all forms of incarceration for all forms of crimes include family detention arrangements for the off spring or accompanying children of the folks breaking the law?
...and toothbrushes. The government argues 'no.' Watching Ms. Fabian argue this today, I thought I would vomit. My God, what have we become?
Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News
Just checking the level of your hypocrisy.None. What makes you ask?
We don't have to "take care of them". it is a policy decision to keep them locked up. We could hire more judges and lawyers to speed their cases through, but your president doesn't have much regard for such things. The cruelty is the point. And while the cruelty isn't proving to be very effective, certain Americans seem to find it gratifying.
That our government can't figure out that soap and toothbrushes are basic necessities in their concentration camps, it really needs to go. It is dehumanizing our population. The evidence is in posts we see here.
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