- Joined
- May 1, 2013
- Messages
- 119,657
- Reaction score
- 75,595
- Location
- Outside Seattle
- Gender
- Female
- Political Leaning
- Independent
You are incorrect.
Let me explain it to you.
Guns were initially invented for war, ie to kill or maim other people. Even on this board today people constantly reference "protection" as well as "hunting", two activities that leverage 100% the reason guns exist (to kill or maim).4
Yeah people don't get that one if the source says something that's incredibly stupid it's not a source.if they say that-which I doubt, they are obviously not credible
Fire extinguishers are a safety device in their own right. A loaded gun left unattended, unsecured and loaded is ignoring a safety rule. Not quite the same.I guess people that keep fire extinguishers are paranoid too.
It's a level of paranoia that doesn't seem to be problematic.
who makes up these safety rules that you claim applies universally no matter what the personal environment is? If your home is locked when you aren't there, such a firearm is secured. The problem is-your definition of unsecured is bullshit.Fire extinguishers are a safety device in their own right. A loaded gun left unattended, unsecured and loaded is ignoring a safety rule. Not quite the same.
Care to suggest a good reason for leaving a loaded gun in an unsecured bedside cabinet. Either a touch of paranoia or crime really is very bad and happens far to often to take the risk of not doing such with a gun.
Either way it is not a glowing endorsement for your country.
The following link is from the NRAif they say that-which I doubt, they are obviously not credible
that means nothing. try again.The following link is from the NRA
https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2019/11/5/6-ways-to-safely-store-your-firearms/
The article makes it quite clear that people have different needs and there are different options to meet those needs. Yet I fail to see anything that indicates one of those options is an ordinary wooden bedside cabinet. For all that the belief is that it is up to the individual to choose. It is not the belief that the individual choose methods that are not listed in the article, ie. wooden bedside cabinets.
Any link on safe storage for a gun from a credible source.sure I can. You're just claiming to have a credible source without actually having one.
If you're not storing it then you wouldn't lock it in a storage device if I need it for possible defense then I'm using it.
If I put my guns in storage they don't have ammo in them the ammo is actually kept separately and the gun is disabled.
When a gun is in the state it can't be used for defense. For it to be used for the defense it has to have ammo ready within arms reach or you don't have to use a key or do some goofy combination to take it out.
Again I will take the absolute minuscule risk of some ghosts sneaking into my house and taking it while I'm asleep and going and shooting people with it it's extremely unlikely that that will happen.
A safe practice would be doing something to make things less dangerous. Putting a seatbelt on in a moving car is a safe practice for the purpose of making it less dangerous if there is an accident.there is no such thing as a safe practice there are practices you can do that make things less dangerous. But if you take away the function of something then what are you sacrificing for safety.
If you're not storing it then you wouldn't lock it in a storage device if I need it for possible defense then I'm using it.If you want to sacrifice you're right to life for safety that's your business. I'll take the absolute miniscule risk of my gun being possessed by a demon flying around and shooting people for the benefit of having it should I need it
If I put my guns in storage they don't have ammo in them the ammo is actually kept separately and the gun is disabled.
When a gun is in the state it can't be used for defense. For it to be used for the defense it has to have ammo ready within arms reach or you don't have to use a key or do some goofy combination to take it out.
Again I will take the absolute minuscule risk of some ghosts sneaking into my house and taking it while I'm asleep and going and shooting people with it it's extremely unlikely that that will happen.
that means nothing. try again.
Do you think the NRA is infallible?You mean the nra is wrong and you are right?
The following link is from the NRA
https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2019/11/5/6-ways-to-safely-store-your-firearms/
The article makes it quite clear that people have different needs and there are different options to meet those needs. Yet I fail to see anything that indicates one of those options is an ordinary wooden bedside cabinet. For all that the belief is that it is up to the individual to choose. It is not the belief that the individual choose methods that are not listed in the article, ie. wooden bedside cabinets.
No, But I did think that a pro gun person is likely to consider it a credible source. Would you prefer I go find a hippies view on guns?Do you think the NRA is infallible?
Why would you think that the NRA has any credibility? Do you think they have credibility?No, But I did think that a pro gun person is likely to consider it a credible source. Would you prefer I go find a hippies view on guns?
From your link: The right safe storage solution for everyone is different. Whichever method you choose, it must provide an adequate level of protection to prevent unauthorized persons from accessing the firearms. The determination of what is “adequate protection” is a matter of judgment on the part of the individual gun owner.
Nothing in the link you give says the list of options they give is exhaustive. The above quote seems to indicate they understand their list isn't exhaustive. And you are continuing to conflate a gun being used with one being stored.
Why would you think that the NRA has any credibility? Do you think they have credibility?
I'm asking if you trust what the NRA says because they're the NRA.Are you asking me to dismiss the information because of the source or because the information is wrong?
And I pointed out that the when I am home the gun on a cabinet is just as safe to me as one in my safe.I have asked of another that they need show where an ordinary wooden bedside cabinet is listed in any gun shop as a gun safety cabinet. Where as links to gun shops do show metal boxes of all sizes with different speed release locks.
My answer is that I am completely ambivalent. Are you asking for another reference?I'm asking if you trust what the NRA says because they're the NRA.
And I pointed out that the when I am home the gun on a cabinet is just as safe to me as one in my safe.
Unless you believe as you apparently do..that th e gun on the cabinet is going to magically jump up and shoot me.
I have asked of another that they need show where an ordinary wooden bedside cabinet is listed in any gun shop as a gun safety cabinet. Where as links to gun shops do show metal boxes of all sizes with different speed release locks.
That circumstance then would be when there is no use for that gun.Gun shops don't advertise bedroom furniture for sale, but do advertise things they do happen to sell? I'm quite surprised at that revelation.
Who here has argued that a wooden bedside cabinet is a "gun safety cabinet"? I think at best you have that some have argued such a cabinet can be used as a place to lay a gun that is being used for self defense, and that such gun use is not particularly unsafe in some circumstances. Except maybe from the POV of an intruder.
Then why do you claim its unsafe and a violation of safety rules?Nothing I have said about an accident could make you believe that. An object on a bench is not likely to be the cause of an accident.
That circumstance then would be when there is no use for that gun.
And as yet no one has justified that level of self defense is necessary.
Yes gun shops do not sell such devices that are not actually safe. Because every credible gun safety rule agree on locked boxes as being safe. Not a bed side cabinet.
Then why do you claim its unsafe and a violation of safety rules?
Please explain in detail why you believe it's unsafe and a violation of safety rules..Because that is what it is. But what I said was about accidents. While this is about is a rule. Two different things.
what do you mean by unattended if I leave the room and I did not know the firearm before I left the room?Fire extinguishers are a safety device in their own right. A loaded gun left unattended, unsecured and loaded is ignoring a safety rule. Not quite the same.
if I need it it's there.Care to suggest a good reason for leaving a loaded gun in an unsecured bedside cabinet.
I guess having a fire extinguisher in my house means fires are really really bad and happen really often or I'm just paranoid.Either a touch of paranoia or crime really is very bad and happens far to often to take the risk of not doing such with a gun.
Either way it is not a glowing endorsement for your country.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?