[W: #18] Jesus is GOD

[Mulefoot]

Of course he is divine...I've already said that...

I sincerely didn't know. I thought JW didn't believe in the divinity of Christ.

 

[Metanoia]

Wondering whether God ignores us if we don’t call him Jehovah ?

 

[Daisy]

Wondering whether God ignores us if we don’t call him Jehovah ?

I can't answer that, only Jehovah God can because He reads the heart, but I would think it can't hurt to use His personal name...

"Jehovah is nigh unto all them that call upon him, To all that call upon him in truth." Psalm 145:18 ASV

 

[Metanoia]

Another question: What has happened to the false prophets of the JWs ? Deuteronomy 18:20 clearly calls that they must be put to death. Have the JWs obeyed this commandment ?

 

[Daisy]

Another question: What has happened to the false prophets of the JWs ? Deuteronomy 18:20 clearly calls that they must be put to death. Have the JWs obeyed this commandment ?

Even the faithful angels in heaven were interested in the prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures concerning the Christ. (1 Pet. 1:10-12) Along with God’s servants on earth, they could recognize, once Jesus proved his faithfulness to death and was resurrected, that “no matter how many the promises of God are, they have become Yes by means of him.” (2 Cor. 1:20) So the angel who spoke to John could properly point out that the entire “spirit” or whole inclination and purpose of these prophecies was to bear witness to Jesus.

Jehovah’s witnesses are not giving new prophecies about the future. But they are proclaiming the present and future fulfillment of prophecies recorded in the Bible, as well as prophesying in the sense of declaring God’s message today. In this they emphasize Jesus’ role as the key one in Jehovah’s purposes, the king of His kingdom.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1971089

Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306)

The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101993201#h=17:0-18:1259

 

[tosca1]

Been there, done that...I choose to stand with Jehovah/the truth...

If you stand on the Truth with JW - then how come you're being corrected so often and shown to be wrong?
Why are some of your beliefs, downright wrong?

Why can't you defend them when shown to be wrong, and instead you simply disappear and not even address them?




here's the latest correction on your false claim:

You said:

Daisy
Neither Jesus nor his disciples ever quoted oral Jewish tradition.....

Bottom line:
If Jesus was quoting from the Old Testament - then, He was using Oral Tradition in His Teachings!

From Moses to the Messiah: Oral Tradition Heard in Jesus’ Teachings​

All agree that the present written form of the Talmud was compiled after the time of Jesus.
But the “proto-Talmudic” tradition was “transmitted orally for centuries.”
It seems that Jesus was familiar with many oral ideas, later written down. This oral tradition is analogous to apostolic oral tradition, referred to in the New Testament.


For example, Jesus preached in the Sermon on the Mount, “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill; whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment...” (Matthew 5:22, RSV).
In other words, his point was that sin starts in the heart and the intent, before we commit an act, and that the intent is as blameworthy as the act that flows from it.
Murder starts in anger, which then can become malice, up to and including murder, if it’s unchecked.

Is this an entirely new ethical insight of Jesus? No.
Many Jews would have been familiar with the oral tradition later written in the Talmud, in Bava Mezia 58b: “He who publicly shames his neighbor is as though he shed blood.”
Likewise, Jesus said shortly after the above, “Everyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).
Again, arguably he drew from the continually developing oral Torah. A sentiment similar to this is found in Leviticus Rabba: “Adultery can be committed with the eyes.”

From Moses to the Messiah: Oral Tradition Heard in Jesus’ Teachings

The echoes of ancient Jewish wisdom can be heard in the depth of its Gospel fulfillment.

www.ncregister.com

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Aug 6, 2025

Neither Jesus nor his disciples ever quoted oral Jewish tradition to support their teachings but, rather, appealed to the written Word of God. (Mt 4:4-10; Ro 15:4; 2Ti 3:15-17)

Wrong!

Just to be clear:

Jesus was admonishing the Pharisees for their own interpretation of the oral tradition.
They would be like the JW today.



The oral tradition was practiced before the Bible was written.
That's where our Bible came from - the oral Old Testament that was passed down from generation to generation!


Bottom line:
If Jesus was...

• tosca1

 

[tosca1]

Been there, done that...I choose to stand with Jehovah/the truth...

Just saw my post on that other thread is the last one so far.
Looks like we're all waiting for your rebuttal.

 

[Daisy]

Neither Jesus nor his disciples ever quoted oral Jewish tradition to support their teachings but, rather, appealed to the written Word of God. (Mt 4:4-10; Ro 15:4; 2Ti 3:15-17) Once the Christian congregation was established, observance of the unscriptural Jewish traditions amounted to a “fruitless form of conduct” that Jewish persons had ‘received by tradition from their forefathers [Gr., pa·tro·pa·ra·doʹtou, “given along from fathers”].’ (1Pe 1:18) Upon becoming Christians, those Jews abandoned such traditions. When some false teachers in Colossae urged taking up that form of worship, Paul warned against “the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men.” Evidently he meant, especially, the traditions of Judaism.—Col 2:8, 13-17.

Christian Traditions. Viewing tradition in the sense of guidelines handed down orally or by example, the information that the apostle Paul received directly from Jesus could properly be passed on to the Christian congregations as acceptable Christian tradition. This was so, for example, regarding the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal. (1Co 11:2, 23) The teachings and example set by the apostles constituted valid tradition. Thus, Paul, who had personally toiled with his hands so as not to be a financial burden on his brothers (Ac 18:3; 20:34; 1Co 9:15; 1Th 2:9), could urge the Thessalonian Christians “to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition [pa·raʹdo·sin]” they had received. One who would not work was plainly not following the fine example or tradition of the apostles.—2Th 3:6-11.

The “traditions” that are necessary for worship of God that is clean and undefiled were in time included as part of the inspired Scriptures. Hence, the traditions or precepts that were transmitted by Jesus and the apostles and that were vital for life were not left in oral form to be distorted by the passage of time but were accurately recorded in the Bible for the benefit of Christians living at later periods.—Joh 20:30, 31; Re 22:18.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Insight-on-the-Scriptures/Tradition/

 

[Daisy]

2,373 views Feb 8, 2025 Is the Trinity in the Bible? How and when was the Trinity Revealed?

00:00 God is Never a Trinity in the Bible.

03:14 God is always referred to with singular pronouns. HE did great things through Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is someone else, a different “person and being” than God.

04:18 Typical Responses from the Previous podcast, and why they fall short. No one showed a place in the Bible where God is described or revealed to be a Trinity. Trinitarian apologists construct their god. Matthew 28:19, John 10:30, Genesis 1:26?

06:26 So much confusion in Trinitarian responses. The immediate “default” is to go to a few verses that Trinitarians think show that “Jesus is God”.

10:14 Trinitarian scholars who describe that the Trinity is not revealed in the Bible. “Can’t just rifle through the pages of the Bible in forming the doctrine (of the Trinity)”

11:55 Assembling the Trinity, the methodology is faulty. No one in the Bible does this.

14:08 Similarity between Trinitarian and modern “woke” usage of pronouns. Denying reality and insisting on using a pronoun that does not apply

.16:07 Who to believe: Trinitarians or the Bible? Stick with the Bible.

 

[VySky]

 

[Daisy]

 

[Daisy]

This brief video was produced with tactful intent, to be least offensive regardless of personal beliefs. Is the New World Translation the only translation that translates "and the word was a god"? Have other translations throughout history done the same?

 

[tosca1]

Here's another CONNECT-THE-DOTS that shows JESUS is GOD, HIMSELF.




Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”





Who is coming again? JESUS CHRIST.
Whose coming are Christians awaiting for? JESUS CHRIST
Who got pierced and nailed to the cross? JESUS CHRIST
Who made the claim to being The Alpha and Omega? GOD and JESUS CHRIST.
Who is the Alpha and Omega who is to come? The Lord GOD




Fast forward to the very end of the Book of Revelation.





Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



Who testifies to these things? JESUS CHRIST (as the faithful Witness in Rev 1:5)
Who says He is coming soon? JESUS CHRIST
Who did John say who will come? JESUS CHRIST

 

[redbeer]

Here's another CONNECT-THE-DOTS that shows JESUS is GOD, HIMSELF.




Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”





Who is coming again? JESUS CHRIST.
Whose coming are Christians awaiting for? JESUS CHRIST
Who got pierced and nailed to the cross? JESUS CHRIST
Who made the claim to being The Alpha and Omega? GOD and JESUS CHRIST.
Who is the Alpha and Omega who is to come? The Lord GOD




Fast forward to the very end of the Book of Revelation.





Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



Who testifies to these things? JESUS CHRIST (as the faithful Witness in Rev 1:5)
Who says He is coming soon? JESUS CHRIST
Who did John say who will come? JESUS CHRIST

You've made a god after your own image, the image of man, a Godman. Fyi, this is grievous error.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who died on the cross shedding his blood to cover our sins. God is not a man, nor does he die, neither does He have blood, unless you are a trinitarian.

To be a follower of Jesus, it's paramount to have the same God as Him. Jesus was NOT a trinitarian, nowhere close to such a belief.

 

[VySky]

Again, lets review scripture. God refers to himself as "I AM".

Exodus 3:14

14 God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

John 8:58

58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Jesus clearly knows what he was saying. He knows what " I AM" means. So did the Pharisees who told Jesus we are not wanting to stone you for your good works, but your blasphemy for claiming to be equal to GOD.

As previously stated, Pastor MacArthur points out in the passages Jesus states he is equal to God in 5 ways

1- Nature
2- Works-
3- Power
4- Authority
5- Truth

Praise to God be the Glory!

 

[VySky]

Doesn’t get more clear than this.

Romans 9:5 ESV

5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. | English Standard Version Revision 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

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