Here a professor indulges in why the South Seceded.
Dr. Donald Livingston discusses the real reasons and elaborates on the Lincoln invasion.
Enjoy all.
A neo-Confederate who still tries to defend secession.
Yawn.
I'll watch as much as I can stand, but first I'll ask the question that typically gives the lie to this.
If it wasn't about slavery, why didn't they free the slaves?
This would have given several potentially war winning advantages:
The futures of the newly freed men would be tied directly to the future of the Confederacy. Talk about motivation!
The manpower would have come in handy, since they had the smaller pool to draw recruits from.
Politically, it could have been the tipping point for European intervention, since that was a sticking point for some major European powers.
The very small group of voices calling for this at the time were marginalized.
If Livingston does not believe that "slavery was the cause of the war," don't bother with him.
And do snicker at the OP.
Here a professor indulges in why the South Seceded.
Dr. Donald Livingston discusses the real reasons and elaborates on the Lincoln invasion.
Enjoy all.
Well that comes closer than those who claim my posts are over slavery.
Why would I defend secession one can ask?
My reasons are this
1. To allow states to remove themselves from a central government that overpowers them. Like the cop beating the black man, the black is right to defend himself. Even the criminal black deserves protection from cops engaged in beatings.
2. Because this nation is supposed to be free. Free of oppression. Even Democrats protest oppression so why not join me?
3. States were deemed at the time to have the right to secede. It was brought up even in the declaration of independence.
4. Less known but equally important is there were previous incidents of states in the North seceding.
Well that comes closer than those who claim my posts are over slavery.
Why would I defend secession one can ask?
My reasons are this
1. To allow states to remove themselves from a central government that overpowers them. Like the cop beating the black man, the black is right to defend himself. Even the criminal black deserves protection from cops engaged in beatings.
2. Because this nation is supposed to be free. Free of oppression. Even Democrats protest oppression so why not join me?
3. States were deemed at the time to have the right to secede. It was brought up even in the declaration of independence.
4. Less known but equally important is there were previous incidents of states in the North seceding.
Donald Livingston - Wikipedia
“ In 2004, the SPLC characterized Livingston as a neo-Confederate ideologue, in part for his former association with the League of the South, labelled "the premier state sovereignty and secessionist organization;" the League has been classified as a "hate group" by the SPLC.”
League of the South - Wikipedia
“ The League of the South (LS) is a white nationalist, Neo-Confederate, white supremacist organization,[6][7][8][9][10] headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic".[11] The group defines the Southern United States as the states that made up the former Confederacy (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee and Virginia).[12] It claims to also be a religious and social movement, advocating a return to a more traditionally conservative, Christian-oriented Southern culture.[13]
The movement and its members are allied with the alt-right. The group was part of the neo-Nazi Nationalist Front formerly alongside the National Socialist Movement (NSM), the now defunct Traditionalist Workers Party (TWP) and Vanguard America (VA) since rebranded as Patriot Front. The group participated in the Pikeville rally in Pikeville, Kentucky, the Charlottesville riots/Unite the Right in Charlottesville, Virginia and the White Lives Matter rally in Shelbyville, Tennessee as key organizers in all three events.[14][15] The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated it as a hate group.[16]”
In other words, zero crediblity.
1. “The criminal black”. Wow, way to display your racism yet again.
2. Claiming “this nation was supposed to be free” and going to war to preserve slavery is mutually exclusive.
3, 4. Provide your exact evidence for northern states seceding and there being a “right to secede”
It was slavery.
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Donald Livingston - Wikipedia
“ In 2004, the SPLC characterized Livingston as a neo-Confederate ideologue, in part for his former association with the League of the South, labelled "the premier state sovereignty and secessionist organization;" the League has been classified as a "hate group" by the SPLC.”
League of the South - Wikipedia
“ The League of the South (LS) is a white nationalist, Neo-Confederate, white supremacist organization,[6][7][8][9][10] headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic".[11] The group defines the Southern United States as the states that made up the former Confederacy (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee and Virginia).[12] It claims to also be a religious and social movement, advocating a return to a more traditionally conservative, Christian-oriented Southern culture.[13]
The movement and its members are allied with the alt-right. The group was part of the neo-Nazi Nationalist Front formerly alongside the National Socialist Movement (NSM), the now defunct Traditionalist Workers Party (TWP) and Vanguard America (VA) since rebranded as Patriot Front. The group participated in the Pikeville rally in Pikeville, Kentucky, the Charlottesville riots/Unite the Right in Charlottesville, Virginia and the White Lives Matter rally in Shelbyville, Tennessee as key organizers in all three events.[14][15] The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated it as a hate group.[16]”
In other words, zero crediblity.
The north like the Communists indoctrinated citizens and it is pathetic.
You misspelled liberated. Reconstruction should have lasted a lot longer. Ending it when they did was a mistake.
Save your Confederate money, boys, the South will rise again!
What I find so sad, really pathetic, is trying to discuss history invites insults and taunts. I do not present untrue history. I present things I believe have value.
Note. I only started to watch the video and at the end most likely will find particular things i do not agree with. I need to see his argument it was not over slavery for instance since I think the secession was over slavery. But that is just me. Abe declared over and over his war was not over slavery. I have not called him a liar that his war was not over slavery.
I think posters here however think he lied by saying it was not over slavery.
Abe Lincoln quote
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
Abraham Lincoln
In my opinion, the States realized other states of the North had seceded. Short lived, but still they had. And the letters from the South said they wanted slavery preserved yet included a constitutional clause stipulating no slaves can be imported.
Do you know the cost then of a slave? Today a thousand dollars is not chump change. A slave then cost the plantations when buying one $1,000 very often due to bidding up prices. That was then in their dollars. What is a then $1000 amount to right now? Many thousands.
Do you give away valuable property?
Hell if you had to make a purchase today of say $50,000 would you hand it over?
Should the south have used the slaves to fight war? Believe it or not, this was considered to have merit. Keep in mind when Abe the outlaw, invaded, he kept declaring his war had no thing to do with blacks. He used a different excuse to invade VA. And he did not claim it was over Ft. Sumter. He said to put the union back together.
Never has the Sumter caused the war crowd produced documents from Abe the Outlaw he used that as his excuse. wonder why not?
Show me paper saying from Abe he invaded due to Sumter being fired at. Anybody.
One more point to make. Washington had over 300 slaves on his lands. Jefferson came in second place as to slaves. Neither president had an army to keep slaves in line. 300 angry blacks could easily overpower the men on the two estates. When whites went to fight the war, back at home, slaves at home could easily kill the women. but one has to ask, why didn't any of that happen?
You misspelled liberated. Reconstruction should have lasted a lot longer. Ending it when they did was a mistake.
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