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[W:1027] Abortion Semantics: "Unborn Children"

it's just me said:
Mom said "six months". That's all I have to go by. I used to have some kind of a document that had my footprints on it, I don't know what it was. My birth certificate is a pretty standard affair.

So, no idea on what my odds really were?
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your posts seem confused and ignorant of facts as usual

RvW is based on 24 weeks cause thats the medical science consensus of 50% viability
Earliest possible viability is 21 weeks due to lung development

This isnt made up nor is it just legal terms its based on medical science

If you were born today, rationally you would have an even better chance based on medical advancements . . no laws changed this
 
it's just me said:
Mom said "six months". That's all I have to go by. I used to have some kind of a document that had my footprints on it, I don't know what it was. My birth certificate is a pretty standard affair.

So, no idea on what my odds really were?
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So first of all depending on the months, six months could be 24 weeks (unlikely) or 26 weeks. Those two weeks are huge in terms of fetal development. Then if her doctor went by actual fetal age and not LMP, you could tack on another 2 weeks. Again that would bring you up to 28 weeks. 28 weeks seems way more likely than 24 weeks given your weight.

At 28 weeks chances are great now....back in the 40's...not so sure.

As an ICU RN, I am really curious what help they gave your for breathing back then. The 21st century accouterments make 28 weeks a blessed number (as far as preemies go), but back then with all of the surfactactant/ventilation and oxygenation issues I have to wonder what was available back then.

Regardless. I am happy you are here to tell us about it.
 

Thank you for your kind words. I was hoping you could help me piece this together, there is nobody left for me to ask and I haven't been able to find anything on the web. When I was a kid I didn't think much of it but today when I look back on the state of the art even in the 1960's I can't imagine how much more primitive it was in the 1950's.
 

As usual, you don't have the faintest idea of what I was saying but you have to get your talking points in.
 
it's just me said:
As usual, you don't have the faintest idea of what I was saying but you have to get your talking points in.
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Nice try but another fail that nobody here honest, educated and objective buys........
Next time do some research before babbling off at the mouth and understand that research, statements you made in this thread were factually wrong as me and other pointed out, your feelings dont change that fact :shrug:
 
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Cougarbear: The best solution is to undermine liberal leftist's agenda to kill unborn babies.
 
Cougarbear said:
Cougarbear: The best solution is to undermine liberal leftist's agenda to kill unborn babies.
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How do you feel about the unborn weeks old embryos that are discarded every day in IVF clinics ?

Why is it ok to destroy the embryos that were not used in the IVF treatment ?

If you ( general you ) consider the embryo in the womb as human life.

Why don’t you think the extra embryos no longer needed for IVF can just be thrown away with the medical waste?

From the following :

The Paradox of the IVF Clinic and the Abortion Clinic: Are Some Embryos More Persons Than Others?



Read more:

The Paradox of the IVF Clinic and the Abortion Clinic: Are Some Embryos More Persons Than Others? - Big Think

And from the following:

Fertility clinics destroy embryos all the time. Why aren’t conservatives after them?


Read more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c033e6745d8_story.html?utm_term=.689ac414752a
 
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Call it a whatever you like. Call it gods little miracle if you like. As long as it is dead after the abortion that is fine with me. Because that is what is currently legal
 
prometeus said:
Or just stay the **** out of other people's lives.
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I agree that you should just stay out of the baby's lives and let them also live with liberty and freedom.
 
Seems the OP has realized his thread (like all his threads) is a complete failure and has run away
 

I just got back from a short stay at the Mayo Clinic here in Arizona.

I have stage 4 cancer and it is killing me.

I meet my hospice care nurse tomorrow.

My palliative care lasted since 2016 when I survived a surgery that I was given a 1 in 4 chance of waking up from.

Cancer pain can be a torment I wouldn't wish on anyone.

I only hope they don't make me linger.

I don't mind or fear death, but I don't want to be kept alive when I am unable to live.
 

I am so sorry to hear this. My heart aches for you and your loved ones...I wish you a life worth living and comfort as long as it is possible.

You still have the best online name I've ever read.
 

My prayers are with you.
 

So sorry to hear this, hoping yo dont suffer to much
 

I am so sorry for your situation. I hope they can make you comfortable.
 
Lursa said:
I am so sorry to hear this. My heart aches for you and your loved ones...I wish you a life worth living and comfort as long as it is possible.

You still have the best online name I've ever read.
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Thank you.

Your kind thoughts and words are appreciated.
 
Dick Tornado said:
Your comments are appreciated.

I keep a positive attitude and it helps to hear encouragement.

:thanks:
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I went through some very intensive chemo 6 years ago, F**** cancer
 
KevinKohler said:
A fetus is no more a human BEING than a catirpiller is a butterfly.

Human =/= human being.
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A single Monarch caterpillar and resulting butterfly are the same species, and indeed the same individual. A caterpillar is not a collection of Danaus plexippus cells, but an individual of the Danaus plexippus species.

We can certainly consider the caterpillar to be less worthy of life, by virtue of having less capabilities, being a "burden", and having not reached the butterfly stage. But we can not deny that it is an individual of Danaus plexippus.
 
Cougarbear said:
Cougarbear: The best solution is to undermine liberal leftist's agenda to kill unborn babies.
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Your nomenclature is incorrect. I am so tired of the right wing pushing the overton window further and further right with their hysteria.
 

The caterpillar is not the same as a fetus. A fetus is required to use the organs and sustenance another body provides. One thing that has always amused me about anti-abortion advocates, or pro birthers, I should say, is that they are so focused on the short term goal they miss what the outcome of their policies would be.

Tell me, where does it end? At abortion? Since abortion exists to protect mothers from having their bodies used by a fetus (note, not a person, as personhood is required for rights to function), what would stop, for example, organ donors from using the precedent to force all deceased people to have to donate their organs on death?
 
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