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Voters Have Had it with Trump?

lurchadams

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7


So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
 
In my opinion trump is unelectable no matter who runs against him.

He won by 78,000 votes with the assistance of Russia.

He has not gained a single voter and has lost a lot as people who believed he was a successful businessman learned the truth.

All he has left is his cultists, and they are not nearly enough to win. The same three states again.
 
lurchadams said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7



So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
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I think it will come down to one thing for most voters: has Trump's policies been positive or negative in relation to that voter and their family.

I see Trump a lot like Obama in that regard where they both did a ton of partisan things that caused some outrage but didnt really effect anyone either way

I didnt vote for Trump in 2016 and I wont be voting for him in 2020 but I wouldnt be very shocked to see him get reelected
 

Much will depend on who gets the Dem nomination. You made a valid point. As Trump is devisive and has done very little to add to his base the election will not be a cake walk. The 2020 election will not be on the economy, but on Trumps personality and fitness for the job.
 
ecofarm said:
Why do I still feel like there's a sizable chance Dems **** it up.
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Because we’re more interested in a nebulous idea of “winning” rather in being united in causes that define our values. The result is a lack of sincerity that causes us to be uncertain about the rightness of our goals.
 
Cardinal said:
Because we’re more interested in a nebulous idea of “winning” rather in being united in causes that define our values. The result is a lack of sincerity that causes us to be uncertain about the rightness of our goals.
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By my reasoning both parties should suffer that because I take positions in both parties, and mine is the unifying philosophy.
 
lurchadams said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7



So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
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Why would you guess that? 32% say no. Not even a majority say yes. Between him piling on the debt, the collateral damage from his trade wars, his willingness to shut down the government or shut down the border for his vanity wall, and so on, a lot of us would say that if all we cared about was the economy that would be a reason to vote him out and vote someone sane and responsible in.
 

That's from a mind that clearly understands that stock market up does not equal good news for all. Nor does job growth if they're all Wal Mart jobs. But his base does not understand that at all. They are easily fooled by false or misleading numbers. They actually believe if the stock market is doing fine, they're fine even if they never see a cent. He's not losing them, because the stock market is fine and Mexicans are rapists.
 

The stock market could crash as a direct result of something he does and he still wouldn't lose anyone. If someone hasn't left by now they're never leaving.
 
Amelia said:
Why would you guess that?
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Because, as is stated in the OP article, "Only on the economy does Trump’s performance narrowly weigh in his favor (39/32)".

Even though it's only 39% it's the only metric for trump that looks favorable right now.
 
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lurchadams said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7



So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
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Yes most people are tired of Trump and the constant turmoil. That being said you can't beat someone with no one. So it will be a contest of policy as well as people. Id the fringe part of the party turns out for one candidate,in a fractured field democrats can find themselves in the same place as republicans found themselves in 2016.

Chances are far from zero we will again be faced with two candidates the majority will not like. So turnout will be a key along with where independents go.
 
lurchadams said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7



So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
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The economy really isn't much different than when obama left office. It's the spin machine of the right that makes it sound like trump is doing a wonderful job. My thought is the right will lose the senate and the white house. Many of the folks who gave trump a try the first time around, won't be giving him the benefit of the doubt the second time around.

His actions and the actions of the republican controlled senate are deplorable and if you're not a trump supporter this is painfully clear. I do not see trump winning michigan and pennsylvania again add to that all the young folks who are tired of being shot at in school. I suspect that group will vote mostly democratic. Women, he has basically lost their vote. Independents are moving away from him. It's only his hard core base that still sides with him and to me that is not a winning ticket.
 
ecofarm said:
Why do I still feel like there's a sizable chance Dems **** it up.
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Because 2016 expanded the possibility in a horrible way. Personally, I think that impeachment is a bad option even if it were to result in conviction. The best way to deal with Trump is an overwhelming, crushing defeat at the poles. That's what I want to see.
 
This comes up every so often, and it boils down to voter sentiment during reasonable economic times.

For the most part but not all the time, the better the economy the less likely that the Presidency and Congress flips into the other party’s hands. But there are rare exceptions and in this case it may boil down to all the other nonsense we get with someone like Trump and he has already lost the House with his first midterm.

An argument could be made that those who support Trump may end up voting that way for far more than economic reasons, political polarization has put Independents in a bad position as well.

Voters who “have had it with Trump” probably did not have very much to get there but that does not mean they will find all that much in the lot of Dems wanting to turn Trump into a one term President. Of the 20 something candidates running we have very few if any really reaching out to anyone but the various Democratic bases of voters. No one is talking to Independents and now they very well may be the ones who stay home in 2020.
 

Democrats, progressive and liberal independents must vote.<--period

When I hear that tRump won because 80,000 Democrats in 3 key states voted for him, I don't believe it.

I believe tRump won because 100's of thousands of Democrats were complacent, over confident, discouraged, disaffected or for whatever reason they didn't vote. Since his election tRump has focused, exclusively on pandering to his base while at the same time he's insulted, put down, been rude to and LIED about … EVERYONE else. I agree we need a good solid candidate that hasn't been ... maligned for everything under the Sun ... for the past four years; and I don't think the right will have that luxury EVER again.

BUT, more than anything, if patriotic, Constitution loving, hard working AmeriCANs get out of the house and go to the polls we will end this dark night we're living though and "our FLAG will still wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave!!!!"

tRump/McConnel MUST GO!!!!!!!!
 

We're still in the primary phase during which politicians appeal primarily to their base.You won't see outreach to independents till after the candidate is chosen.
 
bongsaway said:
T It's the spin machine of the right that makes it sound like trump is doing a wonderful job. Mcket.
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By ' spin machine of the right" you mean facts.

Nasdaq and Dow record highs.

1Q GDP at 3.2 %

Unemployment rate in the 3's

All this despite daily 'pray for recession' sessions at the dNC , NYT, WaPO, ABC,NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC.

:elephantf:2dancing:
 
His cult seems to luh him more than ever, so I doubt the accuracy of this thread title.
 
lurchadams said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ave-had-it-with-trump/?utm_term=.faa27797f8a7



So I guess if all you care about is the economy, you'll vote for trump in 2020.
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It all depends on whom the Democrats nominate in 2020. Candidates matter, especially to independents. Independents went for Trump in 2016 enabling him to win the white house. Today independents view Trump, 38% favorable, 51% unfavorable. Question 51A.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/75p17530i6/econTabReport.pdf

Back in 2017 40% of independents viewed Trump favorably, 57% unfavorably. Not much difference today from election day 2016. Question 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

This is where the candidates matter equation comes in. The Democrats nominate a candidate more disliked by independents than Trump was. Question 10. Hillary came in at 27% favorable, 70% unfavorable among independents. The democrats do have a couple of candidates that fall into the Hillary category as being very unattractive to independents. The possibility still exists by nominating one of them, that lets Trump back into the game as by nominating Hillary gave Trump a chance in 2016.
 
Helix said:
His cult seems to luh him more than ever, so I doubt the accuracy of this thread title.
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His cult will always love him,but they aren't enough to re-elect him. That takes help from democrats who stay home or vote 3rd party.
 
bearpoker said:
His cult will always love him,but they aren't enough to re-elect him. That takes help from democrats who stay home or vote 3rd party.
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The Democrats might want to consider running a very good candidate.
 
Helix said:
The Democrats might want to consider running a very good candidate.
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That's important. So is running a campaign that counters and discredits the right wing smear machine.
 
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