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Voter fraud = right wing myth.

ocean515 said:
Actually, what I find more interesting is the boogyman that asking for ID to vote will result in massive voter disenfranchisement.

The spending strawman is an interesting take, I do have to admit.
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I wouldn't say massive, but it will definitely disenfranchise some people as well as cost even more spending. Not worth doing that for something nobody can prove happens in any significant amounts.

So with your way we have increased spending and some people (legal people) not able to vote. Not worth the hassle unless you can prove it exists.
 

I'm sorry. what number of votes does this represent of the whole.....and.....you do understand that voter ID has no impact on absentee ballots....yes?

PS...some ACORN workers were involved in registration fraud.

"Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes."

No perspective, confusion about absentee ballots and registration.....typical low information.
 

Uh huh ... these were isolated instances and we can't assume such things have ever happened before or since or that fraudulent ballots have ever been cast besides Representative Smith's.
 
bubbabgone said:
Uh huh ... these were isolated instances and we can't assume such things have ever happened before or since or that fraudulent ballots have ever been cast besides Representative Smith's.
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You are making an absolutist argument, that elections must be perfect. nothing is perfect. The point is that requiring ID causes more legitimate voters not to vote than it in any manner prevents illegal votes. Your cure is worse than the disease.
 

Good afternoon, Bubba. :2wave:

1. Representative Stephen Smith is a Democrat? How is this possible?
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2. This is August, so why does he not have to resign until January 1, 2014, four months after he pled guilty? He must have an enormous office if it takes that long to clean his belongings out!

3. If this is considered a misdemeanor in a Court of law, why is the media constantly labeling voter fraud the next thing to the end of the world? Does it depend upon who is doing the defrauding?

Lots of questions that need answers, because we are all supposed to be treated equally under the law!
 
polgara said:
3. If this is considered a misdemeanor in a Court of law, why is the media constantly labeling voter fraud the next thing to the end of the world?
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Go ahead and answer it for yourself, afterall I suspect it is the media you choose that is making "voter fraud" the terrible scourge....that it is not.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Go ahead and answer it for yourself, afterall I suspect it is the media you choose that is making "voter fraud" the terrible scourge....that it is not.
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Good afternoon, gimmesometruth. :2wave:

I have read arguments, both pro and con, on voter fraud allegations. Since it seems that an ID card should handle the problem, why are some arguing against it? We need IDs for nearly everything today, so what's the hang-up on requiring one to vote? :?: As far as absentee ballots are concerned, perhaps absentee ballots should be notarized or something, because you have to prove who you are by an ID of some sort before a notary will notarize anything for you. This prevents fraud on car titles, etc. eace:
 
Since when is it consistent with the conservative (or libertarian) ideology that as long as a law restricting a fundamental right is rationally related to preventing a hypothetical problem, there is no problem imposing it on the American people?

Where is the outrage over restricting the rights of "law-abbiding citizens" based on some hypothetical fear that someone somewhere might do something already unlawful? Where is the righteous indignation over regulation for the sake of regulation?

At the moment this is a regulation in search of a problem, so I don't understand why conservatives are pushing it on such a wide scale. There are only a few possible reasons for such organized and callous abandonment of their own principles, and none of them are attractive.
 

Because it is clearly an attack on liberal voter blocks for a crime that is so rare. Voter fraud in almost all cases can not be proven and after all you are innocent until proven guilty. Why are conservatives so paraniod in this issue. Lets have a 100% mail in ststem like they do in Washington state and why don't we make it against the law to not vote like they do in Austrailia. The dem's would win every time.
 
James D Hill said:
Because it is clearly an attack on liberal voter blocks for a crime that is so rare.
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What is this 'liberal voter block' you speak of? Is it any certain group of people that you suggest are under 'attack'? And how so?
 
Arbo said:
What is this 'liberal voter block' you speak of? Is it any certain group of people that you suggest are under 'attack'? And how so?
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How many times do I have to go over it? Inner city minorities who do not drive and who vote liberal. This group is 4 times more likely to not have a valed ID. Students who don't drive and only have a student ID which is not a legal ID in those red (neck) states. They also vote for the Dem's. We are talking about hunred's of thousands of votes in contrast to the very few voter fraud cases. How much more clear can we make it. A right wing boogeyman does not justify hurting hundres of thousands of voters. It is clearly an attack on liberals without a crime to justify it.
 
James D Hill said:
Inner city minorities who do not drive and who vote liberal
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So you are saying minorities, for whatever reason, are unable to get free ID's that most states have available? That sounds pretty racist.
 
Arbo said:
So you are saying minorities, for whatever reason, are unable to get free ID's that most states have available? That sounds pretty racist.
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No the voter ID laws are racist and you know it. Why are you obsessed with freaking ID's anyway? An ID can be faked and you know it. Stop making excuses for right wing rednecks.
 
James D Hill said:
No the voter ID laws are racist and you know it. Why are you obsessed with freaking ID's anyway? An ID can be faked and you know it. Stop making excuses for right wing rednecks.
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So what you are saying is that you dismiss that your belief that minorities are incapable of getting an ID as racist, and would rather call others racist instead?
 
James D Hill said:
No the voter ID laws are racist and you know it. Why are you obsessed with freaking ID's anyway? An ID can be faked and you know it. Stop making excuses for right wing rednecks.
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You seem to have so much hate in you.
Ever think you might be getting manipulated into saying such things?
Unless, of course, your assignment is to be one of the manipulators ... not that that's better.
 
I support whatever needs to be done to make cheating nearly impossible as well as making it easy for everyone to vote. Those who don't support both are biased, corrupt, partisans in my book. IMO there is likely widespread voter fraud and I don't trust the system as it is now. I am a Centrist and am no Republican or Democrat, I bash either party when they deserve it, and I think the Democratic party will try and protect this cheating by saying it is voter suppression and likely will play politics and not support a plan that solves both issues, easy access and extremely hard to commit fraud. There may be a few Republicans who won't support a comprehensive plan because they truly do want to make it hard for likely Democratic voters to vote. But I sense it will be primarily Democratic Party that will try and keep system as it is knowing their grass root organized voter fraud is beneficial to the "cause". I hope I am wrong and a comprehensive solution is found on both fronts.
 
James D Hill said:
The number is much closer to zero than 19,605 and even that nuber is small when compared to those who may not be able to vote because of the redneck boggeyman.
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I'm simply reporting. If you have a dispute with the number, then take it up with the source. The statement has been made here repeatedly that no voter fraud exists. This indicates otherwise. Just because smoke fills the room doesn't mean there's no fire.
 
soot said:
If by "racist" you mean they're intended to prevent fraud then I completely agree.
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Tell me, if the state went door to door to make sure everyone had ID and issued one to those who don't, would that be a problem for you?
 
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