Do you oppose Voter ID laws?
The only people who claim there is a fetish about guns are far lefties who hate the fact that gun rights advocates vote against left-wingers. And the thread is not about guns but rather the hypocrisy of people like you who whine about vote fraud not being prevalent enough to take action, but are more than happy to support laws that harass conservatives when you can
It should be asked: Who does the fact-finding to determine whether vote fraud occurred on a wide scale? What if the people doing the investigations are themselves the beneficiaries of voter fraud, ballot elimination, or ballot stuffing?
It should be asked: Who does the fact-finding to determine whether vote fraud occurred on a wide scale? What if the people doing the investigations are themselves the beneficiaries of voter fraud, ballot elimination, or ballot stuffing? Like a District Attorney or an Attorney General who is able to select who he or she wants to investigate the matter?
Again, more hyperbolic bilge....look at you attempting to divert a thread by talking about something that happened 50 years ago..and making anecdotal unsourced claims about...whatever.
Give it up. Focus more.
The States have agents to look into this.
You either have the data or you don't. You cannot make up data because the data on hand doesn't say what you want it to say.
The States have agents to look into this.
You either have the data or you don't. You cannot make up data because the data on hand doesn't say what you want it to say.
The propaganda machine is in full gear. Same song, 244th verse.Voter Fraud, as the studies show, this is clearly a myth. The stragety is to gin up fraud allegations to justify Voter ID laws. Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections. However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
Voter fraud is not a persistent problem - Voting Wars: Rights | Power | Privilege
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/
http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231
https://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth
https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare
Court opinion: “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20
million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/2016.07.20_En Banc Opinion.pdf
Court opinion: “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing inperson voter fraud in North Carolina.”
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf
Court opinion: “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely
rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of
Wisconsin’s elections.”
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...=legal-document/frank-v-walker-motion-granted
Supreme Court opinion: “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually
occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” They upheld, but later, after the ruling, they stated they regretted their ruling.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-21.ZO.html
This film, "Rigged, The Voter Suppression Playbook" tells the complete tale of Republicans voter suppression techniques.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07P76KK1S/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=1
why don't you can the arrogant nonsense and quit pretending you are the arbiter of what is proper on this board. Your posts are sanctimonious and silly. Voter fraud is a well known leftwing tactic. A Democrat was just busted for vote fraud.
Election fraud case sparks renewed accusations about ballot security in Philadelphia
OMG, what if they are shape shifting aliens!!!!11!!
Well there is the problem, isn't it?
Either you believe our elections are free and fair or you don't. Everyone believes elections are free and fair when they go their way. But do you believe that they are free and fair when they go against you? That is where we see just how strong a system is.
1000 cases of fraud...out of what? That's even less that Grim was trying to push. 1000 cases, the last Presidential election had 138,847,000 votes. So even if these 1000 cases happened all at once in one election (your source goes back to 2000, BTW) that's 0.0007% fraud. Is that swinging an election?
You bring me 1000 cases in 20 years scattered over the 50 states, and expect me to say "Holy **** this is such a problem!!!!"? Prosecute those 1000 cases for sure, but 1000 votes ain't changing the election. It's not threatening the integrity of the election.
Fear based wank. Statistically speaking, voter fraud in America is non-existent. You know this, but you choose to continue to ramp up the idiotic rhetoric that your man-baby cult leader tells you to do.
Given your vast prosecutorial experience, what do you think the amount of actual cases is compared to those that resulted in a conviction?
Given your vast prosecutorial experience, what do you think the amount of actual cases is compared to those that resulted in a conviction?
There's a 0.00005% problem, yes. Prosecute it. But don't pretend that this is somehow changing the course of our elections. I do believe in free and fair elections, which is why I support a system like CO where mail-in ballots are the standard.
Bring me the data. Don't sit there and try to pretend that 1000 votes over 20 years scattered over the 50 states in all different levels of election is somehow threatening the Presidential elections. Let me know when you have actual data to back your point.
I agree with you, Ikari. I do not think that voter fraud is an overwhelming problem currently.
To repeat what I posted before:
When Republicans lose elections to Democrats, a small but loud minority begins to cry "voter fraud, voter fraud!" without little to no evidence to back it up.
And when Democrats lose elections to Republicans, a small but loud minority begins to cry "voter suppression, voter suppression!" with little to no evidence to back it up.
It is arrogant post-hoc excuse making and a back-handed attempt to strip political opponents of the honor and legitimacy of having won a free and open election. Anyone who claims "voter fraud" or "voter suppression" is literally thinking "There is no way that the majority of my constituents would be stupid enough to vote for the other side in an election. I am just far too likable on a personal level and my beliefs and political program are second to none. The other side must have cheated!"
Anyone who whines "Voter Fraud!" or "Voter Suppression" without clear and convincing evidence should have this mantra repeated to them: You lost. You lost because you are not as popular as you thought you were, and more people voted for the Republican/Democrat candidate than they did for you. Get over it, rethink your strategies, behave like an adult, and stop trying to undermine the legitimacy of our elections you sopping child.
Why don't you care about the integrity of our elections!!!???
The propaganda machine is in full gear. Same song, 244th verse.
I agree in part and disagree in part.
When Republicans lose elections to Democrats, a small but loud minority begins to cry "voter fraud, voter fraud!" without little to no evidence to back it up.
And when Democrats lose elections to Republicans, a small but loud minority begins to cry "voter suppression, voter suppression!" with little to no evidence to back it up.
It's the preferred method to make things tedious. CO doesn't have massive voter fraud and our standard is mail-in ballots. So obviously it can be done and done well. It's 2020, there's no reason we can't do this.
There's a 0.00005% problem, yes. Prosecute it. But don't pretend that this is somehow changing the course of our elections. I do believe in free and fair elections, which is why I support a system like CO where mail-in ballots are the standard.
Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections.
However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.
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