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A CUBAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS ORGANIZATION
1961 - 2006
Our purpose for having a Web-Page on the Internet:
There appears to be a relentless campaign spearheaded by the tyrannical government that misappropriated the island of Cuba, interested organizations, and other foreign governments that pretends that the Castro-Communist system is about to release its grip on the Cuban people and that peace with them is at hand.
This campaign which pretends to believe that little by little the system will surrender all its power and freedom will come to our people lacks perspective and is absolutely wrong. First, it forgets the character of the tyrant -- a totalitarian subhuman incapable of any noble feelings, who has mercilessly taken away from the Cuban people all their human rights.
Secondly, great efforts are being made to conceal the fact that there is a revolution already going on inside Cuba. That this underground revolution could explode at any moment unexpectedly and that throughout the island thousands of secret groups are working day and night to bring about this moment of liberation.
Occasionally news of clandestine operations, sabotages, slowdowns, silent and not so silent protests which keep the prisons full at all times, demonstrates a movement that has only one objective: TOTAL VICTORY. History has shown us that once a people enter into a revolutionary state of mind, in pursuit of its rights, nothing will deter them from obtaining the final triumph.
To inform the world of this revolution in the making, which ALPHA 66 has been a part of since its inception; to give a voice to those Freedom Fighters who are risking their lives and to hold accountable those who are helping the tyrant, we bring our information to the Internet.
We invite all to visit our Web-Page, to work with us, to participate in the pursuit of the glorious day when Cuba's liberation will mark one of the golden pages in the history of the 20th century. All those that work with us will be proud to have had a part in this unique event of seeing the end of Communism in our America.
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tyrannical government
Castro-Communist system
release its grip on the Cuban people and that peace with them is at hand.
totalitarian subhuman incapable of any noble feelings
mercilessly taken away from the Cuban people all their human rights.
That this underground revolution could explode at any moment unexpectedly and that throughout the island thousands of secret groups are working day and night to bring about this moment of liberation.
to give a voice to those Freedom Fighters
to participate in the pursuit of the glorious day when Cuba's liberation
one of the golden pages in the history of the 20th century
All those that work with us will be proud to have had a part in this unique event
Communism in our America.
Comrade Brian said:This is a bull**** arguement. I find it filled with propagandist words such as:
And no, I don't even like Castro.
FinnMacCool said:Though I'm not a communist, I will add some support Comrade Brian. Homage to Catalonia, a book by George Orwell about the Anarchist struggle against the fascist Franco, asserts that the communists supporting a marxist government in Spain (Orwell himself fought for the Marxists) were actually conservative fascists using the mirage of socialist ideals to gain political power.
If you take this into account, then it is perhaps possible that people like Comrade Brian are, while misguided, not entirely incorrect in saying that communism doesn't always have to lead to tyrannical Stalinist states.
Engimo said:Indeed. The people that have been labeled as Communists (Stalin, Mao, etc), are to actual Marxist Communism as Trajan is to Libertarianism. That is, they were not Communists at all.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Ah the old: "We are the real Communists follow us into proletariat paradise." line, the first line to enact every totalitarian Communist dictatorship that ever existed.
If you repeat it enough times it might just come true. :roll:
Engimo said:I'm not a Communist, I am just saying that those who have been the figureheads of Communist governments in the past do not accurately represent what Marx was advocating in his writings at all.
George_Washington said:Um, I wouldn't go that far, dude. Karl Marx specifically advocated the abolition of religion and that is what all of the communists have tried to accomplish in the past. Marx advocated that everyone should have an equal amount of wealth and this is also what the communists did, at least to an extent.
Engimo said:I'm not a Communist, I am just saying that those who have been the figureheads of Communist governments in the past do not accurately represent what Marx was advocating in his writings at all.
Engimo said:They also had an elitist, entirely non-egalitarian government. The fundamental point of Communism is to have equality - the exact opposite of what happened in China and Russia.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Bullsh!t, every planket of Marxism was put into practice by the Soviets, Marx himself advocated that authoritarian state control was necessary in order to determine what the common good actually was, what he said was that after time that the state would whither, but what he failed to realize is that the basic pretenses of a socialist society can not in reality exist with out the state.
Karl Marx said:"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly--only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"
Actually I don't believe that. I believe that Stalinist states don't lead to communism, not communism to Stalinist states.not entirely incorrect in saying that communism doesn't always have to lead to tyrannical Stalinist states
I haven't heard that by Marx, but Marx did say in short that "religion is the opium of the people" which I translate as religion being something to comfort people's misery.Karl Marx specifically advocated the abolition of religion and that is what all of the communists have tried to accomplish in the past
No, based upon need, some need more than others.Marx advocated that everyone should have an equal amount of wealth
Where?Marx himself advocated that authoritarian state control was necessary in order to determine what the common good actually was
Agreed, socialist society cannot. Communist society is without it. And yes there is a difference between socialism and communism.socialist society can not in reality exist with out the state.
Engimo said:Oh really? Marx advocated the essential abolition of the "borgeoise state", removing the heirarchical division of government and society.
Trojan you are probably referring to this part:Trajan Octavian Titus said:And what does this have to do with anything I said? Read the Communist Manifesto and get back to me, it's clear that the state was the agreed upon arbitor for the transition to a Communist society.
But there are a few problems you are overlooking.1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
this means that it won't always be the same, but in general will, but can be some differences.Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
Must be a Marx you're thinking of then.Bullsh!t, every planket of Marxism was put into practice by the Soviets
Where?Marx himself advocated that authoritarian state control was necessary
How could it do that?authoritarian state control was necessary in order to determine what the common good actually was
No. He was trying to create a communist society, which is stateless. Socialist society would have a state, though one that would "whither away" once a classless society was achieved.but what he failed to realize is that the basic pretenses of a socialist society can not in reality exist with out the state.
Comrade Brian said:Must be a Marx you're thinking of then.
Where?
How could it do that?
No. He was trying to create a communist society, which is stateless. Socialist society would have a state, though one that would "whither away" once a classless society was achieved.
Comrade Brian said:Must be a Marx you're thinking of then.
Where?
How could it do that?
No. He was trying to create a communist society, which is stateless. Socialist society would have a state, though one that would "whither away" once a classless society was achieved.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:and the Commie propaganda keeps on flowing. :roll:
1961 - 2006
Didn't know they overthrew Castro a while back.We invite all to visit our Web-Page, to work with us, to participate in the pursuit of the glorious day when Cuba's liberation will mark one of the golden pages in the history of the 20th century
Comrade Brian said:Why don't you show us where Marx advocated an authoritian state then? You keep on saying this over and over, yet you have never provided anything to show it at all, you just keep saying it.
Stupid remark by the way.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:March 5, 1852
"The class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat." - Marx
Comrade Brian said:How is that advocating an authoritian state?
I think I see.
Trojan the thing is, is that what is meant by "dictatorship of the proletariat" is that the proletariat shall rule and "supress" the bourgeosie. As because the bourgeosie "supress" the proletariat in capitalism, the proletariat "supress" the bourgeosie in socialism. This by no means advocates an authoritian state. "Proletariat" is the plural form of "proletarian", and "proletarian" in simple words is one of the working class. So the working class as a whole "rules". So therefore in order to have the "proletariat" to rule as a whole, you need a "democracy". As Marx once said : "Democracy is the road to socialism."
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Ya because there have been so many Democratic Communist states right?
Comrade Brian said:"Communism" and "state" are contradictory.
And you are probably referring to USSR, China, etc.
I have explained this many times before.
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