Virginia is the next big battleground for abortion rights and may send a signal for 2024

[AGENT J]

Virginia is the next big battleground for abortion rights and may send a signal for 2024

Democrat Russet Perry has knocked on thousands of doors in a swing district outside the nation's capital as she campaigns for a seat that could decide control of the Virginia state Senate in November. The issue that comes up the most — particularly among women and even from some Republicans and...

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The topic has motivated voters and upended traditional political wisdom in election after election since a conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court eliminated the federal right to the procedure last year. But it may be especially front of mind in Virginia, the only state in the South that has not imposed new abortion restrictions since Roe v. Wade fell.

Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin — whose push to ban the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy was blocked by the Democratic-controlled Senate — has pledged to try again if the GOP wins full control in the state.

“There’s basically a never-ending drip of horror stories from the states on abortion bans,” said Mini Timmaraju, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, citing stories about women denied care and young rape victims forced to carry pregnancies to term. She also dismissed anti-abortion activists' attempts to shift their messaging.

“That’s their new thing. They want to be ‘compassionate.’ It's garbage,” she said. "It’s wild to me that they think anyone will buy that they are compassionate on this issue at all, or that they really, truly believe a 15-week ban is perceived as a compassionate compromise.”

Well abortion for me as remained pretty much the same. Ill always support pro-choice laws because i support woman. Its thats simple. I dont dress things up or dress them down I just base it on that factual reality.

There's a reason why the vast majority of countries on this planet that have governments based on individual rights and freedom have laws that are prochoice . . .
and there's a reason why countries that have pro life laws tend to be countries that do NOT have a government based on individual rights and freedoms and many are dictatorships, communists, theocracies etc

Prochoice is one of the most american things ever why because of this simple reason
If there are 10 woman in a room

prochoice laws basically allow them to INDIVIDUALLY do what they want (with limits) based on their own rights, freedoms, and concerns about their mental and physical health with the input of their DOCTOR. Then if they choose they can also consider the import from loved ones, family, friends, or the father.

Prolife force them to do what I want, what the law says. Their INDIVIDUAL wants, rights, freedoms, and concerns about their mental and physical health with the input of their DOCTOR and or loved ones, family, friends, or father are meaningless UNLESS they fit what I want, what the law wants

No thanks, thats NOT america


Over the years honest people right, left, center, prolife and prochoice can easily admit to facts


Im good with RvW and limiting things with some rare exceptions until 24 weeks which is 50% viability
I would not oppose any move to make RvW 20/21 weeks to coincide with the earliest possible viability of 21 weeks and keeping all the exceptions, But like I have pointed out many times since 99% of abortions happen 20weeks or before and the ones that happen after happen for the exceptions this change would be pretty meaningless. It would only be on paper and cosmetic and wouldn't do anything.

Honest, educated and objective people right left and center both pro-choice and pro-life admit to the fact there's no such thing as equal rights on this subject and that each side simply picks and choose when and why they pick one life over the other and see the other as a lesser. Theres no way around that fact and honest discussion cant be had with anybody that denies that fact. Thats the reality, both sides are basically the same but they have different points on which life they value more. The abortion topic isn't like any other topic because its two lives but ONE is INSIDE the other. Based on that dynamic along equal rights is impossible but I strive for something in the middle the best we can and IMO RvW does that pretty good.

In the vast majority of case, I side with the already KNOWN viable mother who has rights and freedoms over an unknown entity they may not even make it on its one and could be naturally aborted.
For me I cant justift treating the woman as a lesser, forcing her to risk her life and health against her will for an unknown entity that isn't even viable yet.
After viability things change I wouldnt support elective abortion and again the reality is those arent legally happening anyway.

Its between her and her doctors and her family if she wants it to be and that's it.

Other people are free to value the unknown over the mother, and see the woman as a lesser, treat her as a second class citizen but I would never support the law doing so

 

[Callen]

Virginia will be a very interesting election to watch this year. If Younkin does well I think he may throw his hat in the GOP ring. Evidently Rupert Murdoch has been pushing him hard to do that. If he could win the primary , I think he could take out Biden. Much will depend on how the election in November goes and I agree abortion will be an important issue that may be Younkin's Achilles heel.

 

[BirdinHand]

I think democrats are likely to remain in control of their version of the senate in VA state legislature.

Not sure if they can flip their state version of the house.

 

[Peacenik]

Virginia is the next big battleground for abortion rights and may send a signal for 2024

Democrat Russet Perry has knocked on thousands of doors in a swing district outside the nation's capital as she campaigns for a seat that could decide control of the Virginia state Senate in November. The issue that comes up the most — particularly among women and even from some Republicans and...

www.yahoo.com

Well abortion for me as remained pretty much the same. Ill always support pro-choice laws because i support woman. Its thats simple. I dont dress things up or dress them down I just base it on that factual reality.

There's a reason why the vast majority of countries on this planet that have governments based on individual rights and freedom have laws that are prochoice . . .
and there's a reason why countries that have pro life laws tend to be countries that do NOT have a government based on individual rights and freedoms and many are dictatorships, communists, theocracies etc

Prochoice is one of the most american things ever why because of this simple reason
If there are 10 woman in a room

prochoice laws basically allow them to INDIVIDUALLY do what they want (with limits) based on their own rights, freedoms, and concerns about their mental and physical health with the input of their DOCTOR. Then if they choose they can also consider the import from loved ones, family, friends, or the father.

Prolife force them to do what I want, what the law says. Their INDIVIDUAL wants, rights, freedoms, and concerns about their mental and physical health with the input of their DOCTOR and or loved ones, family, friends, or father are meaningless UNLESS they fit what I want, what the law wants

No thanks, thats NOT america


Over the years honest people right, left, center, prolife and prochoice can easily admit to facts


Im good with RvW and limiting things with some rare exceptions until 24 weeks which is 50% viability
I would not oppose any move to make RvW 20/21 weeks to coincide with the earliest possible viability of 21 weeks and keeping all the exceptions, But like I have pointed out many times since 99% of abortions happen 20weeks or before and the ones that happen after happen for the exceptions this change would be pretty meaningless. It would only be on paper and cosmetic and wouldn't do anything.

Honest, educated and objective people right left and center both pro-choice and pro-life admit to the fact there's no such thing as equal rights on this subject and that each side simply picks and choose when and why they pick one life over the other and see the other as a lesser. Theres no way around that fact and honest discussion cant be had with anybody that denies that fact. Thats the reality, both sides are basically the same but they have different points on which life they value more. The abortion topic isn't like any other topic because its two lives but ONE is INSIDE the other. Based on that dynamic along equal rights is impossible but I strive for something in the middle the best we can and IMO RvW does that pretty good.

In the vast majority of case, I side with the already KNOWN viable mother who has rights and freedoms over an unknown entity they may not even make it on its one and could be naturally aborted.
For me I cant justift treating the woman as a lesser, forcing her to risk her life and health against her will for an unknown entity that isn't even viable yet.
After viability things change I wouldnt support elective abortion and again the reality is those arent legally happening anyway.

Its between her and her doctors and her family if she wants it to be and that's it.

Other people are free to value the unknown over the mother, and see the woman as a lesser, treat her as a second class citizen but I would never support the law doing so

Right wing = politicians telling doctors how to do their job, telling women what to do with their body.

That's not right. That's not freedom.

What is right: Giving women the basic right and freedom to choose what happens with their own body.

 

[AGENT J]

Right wing = politicians telling doctors how to do their job, telling women what to do with their body.

That's not right. That's not freedom.

What is right: Giving women the basic right and freedom to choose what happens with their own body.

while i agree 100% its not right and its not freedom there are more than a few righties that are pro0choice. Thats why this push isnt working out so well for the hardcore politicians.

the figured the loudest cries represented the group, it didnt, it was the nutters

 

[Peacenik]

The adult woman has a greater chance of not being shot than any child she may be forced to bring into the world.

Gunshot is the number one cause of death for children in the USA.

The pregnant woman already has a life.

The unborn fetus may never even make it to adulthood.

 

[Gordy327]

The unborn fetus may never even make it to adulthood.

It certainly has no rights or autonomy over or greater than the woman herself either.

 

[Credence]

 

[coyote505]

Right to Life will be the GOP's Kryptonite.

 

[AGENT J]

Right to Life will be the GOP's Kryptonite.

it often doesn;t happen fast enough but when people are against other peoples equal, civil and human rights and want people to be treated as lessers that usually doesn't work out
and in this case wanting women to be lessers and shitting on their equal, civil and human rights is certainly not gonna come to pass

 

[ColdHardTruth]

 

[nullus]

Isn't there a referendum in Ohio on the ballot on November 7th?

 

[Plasmaball]

Isn't there a referendum in Ohio on the ballot on November 7th?

Yes and weed.

Dave w. On Twitter says he thinks the dems sweep Virginia